Hello Matt, On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:41:30 -0700 GMT (13/08/02, 10:41 +0700 GMT), Matt Thoene wrote:
MT> Wow, is there a full moon or something? I've posted a few messages to MT> various lists this week and have seen just brutal responses. My anger was not directed at you, but at people who make decisions based on anecdotal information rather than manifesting their beliefs with facts. MT> Unfounded at that. No they're not professionals. Not unfounded, as their laissez-fair approach to "reasearch before you act" leaves to be desired. It is obvious that they are not professionals. MT> But they do use a piece of software that does a hell of a job on MT> stopping spam at the server. I've seen groundswells on that list MT> that get pretty ugly. This could have easily been one of them. If they even discuss stopping spam on the basis of an email client that was used for 4 spam-mails, it is unprofessional. If their service is used by professionals, it is scary. OK, he reported that he noticed these 4 mails. Nobody asked how many spam mails he had checked, and he himself didn't bother to offer this information. Let's say, 4 out of 4. What does that tell us? That it is worth doing a research on this. No more and no less. Now, the decision to not include TB in their ratware list is based on anecdotal second-hand information: I know someone who uses TB and is not a spammer. Oh yeah, me too, says the third poster. How can this even be considered an argument, much less be the basis for the decision to include or not a mailer in their list? These people scare me. If this is how they reach their decisions, there is no way but to discourage anybody from using their "spamassassin". MT>>> Just noticed this one today. A quick grep found it 4 times in my spam MT>>> archive, which is only a few days old. MT> Improperly notated...(wasn't me who typed this) I know. None of what I say is directed against you, the messenger.It is directed at the growing lack of professionlism in the internet industry, and they are a good example. MT> He's no guru of course. He was referring to a piece of spam he received MT> that had The Bat listed as the Mailer. He didn't recognize it and posted MT> it. Man, why the attack? I was just sending along an informative message MT> from another list. Sheesh. No mistake in posting it. The lack of additional information is what irritates me. And that the people who replied to his message didn't even ask, but instead came up with completely irrelevant anecdotal information. >> Sorry, but if these guys have anything to say in ISPs, the internet is >> doomed. MT> They do. Spamassassin is used quite a bit in the smaller to mid-size ISP MT> world...has been for a few years. :-(((( Sca-ry. MT> I don't think it's doomed anything just yet. What if that second poster's third-degree cousin (on his mother's side) wasn't using TB? Or worse still, what if he were indeed a spammer, thus proving that TB is worth filtering out on? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Hellenolophobie: Angst vor griechischen Fachausdruecken. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 2222 A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM ________________________________________________________ Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
