Am 21.06.2013 14:00, schrieb Enrico Mioso: > Hi all guys! Hello Enrico! > Yes - I intend to proceed, absolutely. But surely I need help to formulate > that > lettere - due to my scarce attitude to communication in "formal" language and > my poor english, not mentioning my scarce skills in being nice! :)
OK then, of course we/I will whatever we can to assist you. > We didn't ask the source code yet, but let's try! It would be very helpful if > you can contact me in IRC - being visually impaired, makes me try to avoid > bloated websites like the one at vodafone.de. > But, once we have amil address and some understandable english text, I will > do > my best to go ahead with you all! At least for me IRC is not a preferred way to communicate, especially in matters like this. It takes some minutes to think about details, do some research and formulate proper text. Thus I would prefer email and probably we should keep it on this (or another?) list too. The resulting text/letter could serve as an example for others. > Feel Free to contact me privately if you need. I'm very determined in taking > this to and end - OpenWrt project changed my life entirely, since now I have > the control of my network devices, even without using a stupid web interface. > I > should give them back at least what it's essential: respect. Thank you. That's an excellent attitude! And we should attempt to achieve the same with manufacturers - so that they treat the people that enable their products with the same respect. Well then. I will hopefully try to get a big picture of the situation myself tonight and then start to write up some sample text for you and this case. One information is not obvious to me though - You are writing about a violation of "Vodafone (DE)", do I read this correctly and you mean Vodafone Germany? But you are not located in Germany, right? Did you actually buy such a device? If yes, where and from whom? Cheers nils > On Fri, 21 Jun 2013, Nils Faerber wrote: > > ==Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 12:26:52 +0200 > ==From: Nils Faerber <[email protected]> > ==To: [email protected] > ==Subject: Re: [GPL Violation] Vodafone (DE) -> ArCadyan -> Easybox 904 > product > == > ==Am 20.06.2013 22:11, schrieb Enrico Mioso: > ==> Hi all guys! My name is Enrico. I'm writing this message to you all, to > ==> signal a GPL violation. > ==> I don't know if this is exaclty the right place to do so - still, I felt > ==> confortable in writing to the tech list more than the others, due to my > ==> inexperience in legal issues. > ==> > ==> The main motivation behind this message, is the respect I desire for the > ==> OpenWrt team itself, for the GPL license and all the people who > ==> contribute their code. > ==> > ==> Status: > ==> In the device, an OpenWrt Kamikaze release is used (8.04), booted with > ==> the > ==> U-Boot source code. the user doesn't receiver any source code, neither > ==> the > ==> permission to modify anything in the device, being the boot-loader > ==> password > ==> protected. > ==> > ==> Links: > ==> Here is the root filesystem: > ==> > http://intercity-vpn.de/files/openwrt/arcadyan_twonkey-networks_vodafone_easybox_904/ > ==> > ==> > ==> and here the full firmware image, European version: > ==> > http://media.vodafone.de/www/assets/software/FW904/UEfullimage_AT904L-01.07.bin > ==> > ==> can someone help us? > == > ==This looks to me like a pretty clear case. > == > ==Have you asked Vodafone f?r the GPL/LGPL sourcecode(s) yet? > == > ==If yes, how did they respond? > == > ==If not, I would suggest to do so. > ==I did this several times in the past and in most cases it did take some > ==effort to overcome the customer firewall (aka "support") and get to the > ==right people but in the end they started to understand and to resolve > ==the issue. > == > ==It is your right as a receiver of the compiled binary to ask the > ==supplier of that binary for the GPL/LGPL sourcecodes that were used to > ==create exactly those binaries. And there is no way around it and no > ==reason to deny you that right. And this is what you need to convey to > ==Vodafone. They *have* to comply. Important here is to set a time limit - > ==be nice and say 10 working days. > ==If you have problems formulating this letter, let me know and I can help > ==with this. If you do not want to hassle with them, same offer is valid, > ==tell me and I will try my best. The binary is publicly available so > ==practically anyone that can download this blob can also ask for the source. > == > ==If they then still refuse to do so we need to take it one step further. > ==This means formal legal stuff - a cease and desist letter from a lawyer. > ==This needs to happen within around four weeks after your/our first > ==contact with them - this is four weeks after they were made aware of the > ==licensing violation. The four weeks are not cast in stone but are common > ==in this area. > == > ==If they then refuse to sign the cease and desist letter and do not give > ==the code it must be taken to court, i.e. we need to contract a lawyer, > ==take the case to court in order to get a "distribution stop warrant" > ==("einstweilige Verf?gung" in German, I do not know the exact English term). > == > ==Cheers > == nils > == > ==
