That's Sitting Bull Falls cave and you DO need a permit from the Forest Service, not BLM. (It's so hard out there knowing who controls what!). When we were there a few years ago, there were Rangers there making you sure you didn't go in. I talked to them and they said that they would like to be able to allow me access, but I needed the paperwork. Let me know if you need some help. Mark
________________________________ From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Fri 2/19/2010 11:49 AM To: Alman, Mark @ EOS Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Windows 7 update KB971033 Speaking of which, I need to get with Stan and get some permits lined up. About the cave behind the falls, is that BLM, if so, no permit right? Thanks Charles