Ah, dirty coal.  Always reminds me of Dick van Dyke in "Mary Poppins'
scrubbin the chimneys. Or better yet, Jack Wild as the 'Artful Dodger' all
covered in soot. A perfect marlboro commercial or the next poster child for
the 'Nuke is Cleaner than Coal' lobby.

To save water we could climb the stacks a 'PEE' into the emmisions.
effectively creating our own SCR, Selective Catalytic Reduction. 4NO + 2(NH2
)2CO + O2 → 4N2 + 4H2O + 2CO2.



On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Don Cooper <wavyca...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Something worth considering when taking it all into account:
>
> It takes a LOT of water to "scrub" coal-fired plant stack columns.
> A whole lot of water that becomes horribly contaminated with all the shit
> that WOULD have gone into the air.
> Then you're left with a clean air power plant with millions of gallons of
> contaminated water.
>
> Whatya gonna have - clean air or clean water???
>
> So.  Yeah - there's a LOTTA coal out there.  Only there's just so much
> clean air / water....
>
> -WaV
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Logan McNatt <lmcn...@austin.rr.com>wrote:
>
>> I've been donating to Clean Water Action since 2000, and they are still a
>> viable national organization with a Texas chapter based in Austin:
>> http://www.cleanwateraction.org/tx
>> The first thing that impressed me was they still have people going door to
>> door once a year, at least in south Austin where Gill and I live.
>>
>> Although Annalisa of GEAA said CWA does not get involved in local issues,
>> the issues on their website include:
>> "The Coming Crisis:  Water Availability and Municipal Conservation Efforts
>> in Central Texas",
>> "Tell the Austin City Council To Support Clean Energy"
>> "Tell San Anonio's [and New Braunfels', and Georgetown's] Mayor and City
>> Council Not To Support Nuclear Energy"
>> "Increase Funding for State Parks"
>> "Get The Mercury Out Of Our Skies And Water"
>> "Support A Moratorium On New Permits For Coal-Burning Power Plants"
>>
>> Obviously they are an advocacy/lobbying group, so donations are not
>> tax-deductible.  I agree with Stephan that it seems like there is a lot of
>> duplication of effort among the plethora of environmental groups, but many
>> of the smaller groups are devoted to a specific geographic area or issue,
>> and cannot actively lobby, unlike CWA.
>>
>> Logan
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> George Veni wrote:
>>
>>  *Clean Water Action has been working in the Austin and San Antonio areas
>> since at least the mid-1980s. They have worked to lobby government and
>> agencies, and work cooperatively with other green groups to prevent water
>> degradation. I haven’t seen them much in the past 10 years and don’t know if
>> the organization crashed and is now recovering or if it simply got diverted
>> to other projects in other areas. *
>>
>> *George *
>>
>> **
>> ------------------------------
>> **
>>
>> *From:* bgillegi...@gmail.com 
>> [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com<bgillegi...@gmail.com>]
>> *On Behalf Of *Gill Edigar
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2009 12:39 PM
>> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
>> *Subject:* [Texascavers] Change of Subject--Clean Water
>>
>> RE: Clean Water Action
>>
>> A few months ago a fellow came by the house representing an outfit called
>> 'Clean Water Action' ostensibly soliciting funds to promote awareness of
>>  and promoting lobbying for clean water in some form or fashion. Since clean
>> water is a current topic of interest in South Austin and other parts of the
>> world it would be a good thing to hype if one wanted to make a few bucks
>> from folks with good environmental intentions but who haven't the time to
>> keep up with every environmental interest group that comes along. I gave
>> them a few bucks and signed their petition and filled out a personal data
>> card. A few days ago I got a phone call from them asking for a pretty good
>> slug of money. I asked for more information. A letter followed but with
>> nebulous details.
>>
>> Does anybody have any knowledge of these guys? Where do they fit in with
>> SOS, the City of Austin, the various water conservation districts that some
>> of our cavers work at? Can anybody cite me any references of their good
>> work? Etc, etc? If they're on the up-and-up I want to support them, but I've
>> never heard of them before and want a better idea of who they are and what
>> they really do.
>> --Ediger
>>
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