Wasn¹t the ³bat mobile² turbine powered? If Batman had a turbine back in the
60¹s.....it seems like the vigilante police industry would have created a
consumer version by now. Seriously, they could create super-heroesque
consumer vehicles and provide jobs and real job training for ex-themed
psychotic villians that were seriously altered in radiation related
accidents...and our streets would be safer as a result.

On 12/7/07 11:46 PM, "Robert Tait" <tai...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Turbine cars have been around since 1950, on and off.  They were all custom
> and impractical....mostly. Chrysler built 50 turbine cars and did customer
> trials in '65.
> 
> http://aardvark.co.nz/pjet/chrysler.shtml
> 
> http://www.diseno-art.com/encyclopedia/classic_concept_cars/chrysler_turbine_c
> ar.html 
> 
> GM made a few EV-1 electrics with turbine chargers.
> 
> The cool thing about the old turbine engines is that they would burn about
> anything, gas, jp4, paraffin. I'm not sure about carbide. Makes getting fuel
> easier on those backwater cave trips.  (no longer off topic.. )
> 
> Turbines are getting very small. Hand held prototypes are being tested.
> Microturbines are available from Honeywell, and GE (although in this case
> Micro the size of a small shed with generator and support gear)
> 
> Exotic materials that can withstand high temperatures and high tolerances are
> factors in high cost.
> 
> They may make a comeback yet!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Rob, in upstate NY
> 
> 
> At 04:57 PM 12/7/2007, Don Cooper wrote:
>> Through the years I've crossed my fingers and held high hopes that the same
>> thing would occur with the logical replacement for the internal combustion
>> engine (IMO) : the small gas turbine.
>> If large gas turbines can operate at 80% efficiency and piston combustion
>> engines are limited to a maximum of 23% by the physics of the otto cycle -
>> then what's achievable is better than what we got!  And with composites,
>> ceramics and the brains for real-time digital automation control becoming
>> cheaper than a cup of coffee - I still am wondering why are such engines not
>> available (well, except for $200,000 replacement turbine powerplants for when
>> the six cylinder horizontally opposed, air-cooled 520 cu inch engine in your
>> Cessna 185 wears out).
>> Also there is a new alternate powerplant available for small aircraft which
>> uses jet fuel, but is a two-stroke piston engine - it's more efficient than a
>> Continental aircraft engine - it costs $75,000.
>> Progress, sure.  A little. Digital control of the gasoline engine does a
>> WHOLE lot to improve efficiency of the old standard truck or car motor.  But
>> powerplant technology seems really pushed to the cutting edge in building
>> humongous airliner-moving jet engines - not small affordable mass-produced
>> engines.  
>> 
>> I like to imagine a nice little car that is an absolutely true hybrid and
>> runs on a small generator powered by a tiny fuel efficient
>> gasoline/diesel/alcohol/LNG turbine.  It would cost millions to build one,
>> but if millions were built - I'd bet they'd be affordable.
>> 
>> -WaV.  
>> Boycotting the limited selection, and keeping alive the obsolete dinosaurs I
>> already have.
>> 
>> On Dec 7, 2007 1:33 PM, Mixon Bill < bmixon...@austin.rr.com
>> <mailto:bmixon...@austin.rr.com> > wrote:
>> I could bore everybody to tears with oldtime computer stories. When I
>> started out as a programmer, memory cost a dollar (a 1960 dollar) a
>> byte. Of course back then there was no such thing as a megabyte of
>> memory. IBM mainframes had a quarter of a megabyte.
>> 
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