Evolution IS a fact. If, after 150 years of reasoned argument you still don't get it, then you are either simpleminded or pigheaded. Since most cavers are of above average intelligence I will presume it is the latter. Since reason isn't penetrating your skull then perhaps another approach might work, one that is closer to your animal nature, the inner ape as it were, and that is ridicule. If it were a simple matter of a simple person who believed that he or she had been abducted by aliens then that person would be a candidate for pity, but when there is a world wide movement to substitute superstition for science then that is a matter which requires attention, for we all suffer the consequences of our collective inability to address real world issues. To use this forum to ask questions about the varieties of religious experience would be like asking what color bodysuits the aliens wear during their probing sessions. It is good entertainment, so go ahead and ask, but don't expect to be treated with the solemnity customary to the proceeding of the Inquisition, or to have your answers taken seriously. Caving as a sport is informed by science, as it should be. Those fossils weren't put there by a mischievous god, the "Great Flood" did not create the Grand canyon, and those funny looking salamanders didn't lose their eyesight due to a fall from grace. If you believe otherwise good for you, let's hear it! Sleazeweazel
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