There are always people who complain, that want change, and most aren't willing to help with it. I probably went off on Wes a bit hard, but it struck a nerve and I'm having a bad year so far, so I vented a bit. He deserved it, but probably not as harsh as I did it.
Splitting the list is probably an easy way out, shutting up the complainers, but I'm hoping that it will actually drive more people to our Texas caving chatter here on either of the lists, making us grow more. Growing these lists also helps out our Grotto's and Regional groups (TCMA, TSA, TCC, etc). If people have ideas that will help us grow as a community, I'm game and will assist where I can. Charles On 1/15/08, Kara Savvas <misskarabi...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > I don't need consoling! :-) I'm doing just fine. I'll ask again, why > aren't people saying this on Texascavers? > > I respect some of the objectors very much, too, but wish they would get > over themselves for a minute. I don't think the uglyness came from any > particular subject, it came from a FEW INDIVIDUALS. I considered a Poll, but > I think that would be beat back considerably. But I also think there are > more pro-OT people on Texascavers than not. > > This is the bottom line for me - I think there is a kind of an arrogant > move to try to 'get rid' of high volume posters that some don't find to be > "serious" enough about caving. And that bothers me. > > With a little perspective, its is just all so silly. But I say, give > Cavetex what it asks for, and maybe they will come around? Or not. But the > experiment is worthwhile. > > > k > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "Johnson, Russ (ATX)" <russ.k.john...@westonsolutions.com> > To: imoca...@comcast.net; misskarabi...@yahoo.com; Scott Nicholson < > csnichol...@sbcglobal.net> > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 8:55:50 AM > Subject: FW: [ot_caving] [OT] Re: anyone else here yet? > > Alex and Kara, Fear not, cavetex will be back. > > I am hopeful that OT-tex will be abandoned in time. No plans for me to > subscribe. The public beat-downs on OT postings happen periodically. I > have a lot of respect some of those who have complained, and their right to > express themselves. And I appreciate fully the modern torture of having to > wade through more email than any one mind should have to endure. It is > healthy and appropriate for this complaint to arise every so often, > especially if things get ugly as they recently have. > > OT postings will get quiet and remain so for a bit. Then they will resume > a tolerable normal background noise level...as it should be. Then one day > someone will get under another's saddle and this will all repeat. This > cycle has repeated several times since the days of the primordial Cavetex > list, it is natural. > > However, for the reasons Alex so eloquently expresses below, the > curmudgeons should not be allowed to run the rest of us off. It is our list > too. Frankly, those interested in (or at least willing to delete) the OT > postings outweigh the ones complaining. So I encourage everyone to let > OT-tex die on the vine, not the real caver email server. > > I surely thought I had heard enough on the evolution-religion thread ... > but just then someone posts an interesting and thoughtful statement that > causes everyone to pause. I wouldn't miss it. Everyone would lose if we > lost the postings on S. Texas railways, the Rio Bravo, and twisty tobacco, > pig and chicken-operated one-holers and other brick shithouses, Terlingua > goats, ...I could go on. > > Please feel free to forward this to OT-Tex. > > Russ > Llano, TX > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Scott Nicholson [mailto:csnichol...@sbcglobal.net] > *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2008 11:09 PM > *To:* Johnson, Russ (ATX) > *Subject:* Fw: [ot_caving] [OT] Re: anyone else here yet? > > you should forward this to cavetex. > > *Scott Nicholson* > *Broker/Waterboy* > *The Discovery Team* > *(512) 94-SCOTT {947-2688}* > *Keller Williams Realty* > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Alex Sproul < > > To: o...@texascavers.com > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 10:26:20 PM > Subject: Re: [ot_caving] [OT] Re: anyone else here yet? > > Absolutely! > > Kara, you are clearly feeling a lot better! Glad to see it! > > I agree that this splitting of the list is silly and divisive and doomed > to failure, but in the meantime, I don't want to miss any of the juicy bits! > > In case any of you Tejanos haven't noticed (I started to say 'have your > heads so far up, you can't see' but that wouldn't be PC...), you have THE > largest, busiest, most vibrant and entertaining caver mail-list in the > country. You know it's good if the internationally renowned Sr. Sleaze > Weasel has joined up and become a regular contributor. (And what, pray > tell, could be more OT than *that*??) > > I very much look forward to my daily dose, I mean digest, of Texas tripe, > all the way up here in VA. I'm a member of every caver list I know of, and > texascavers is my fave. Why? Because it's always so full of irreverent > humor, witticisms, strange factoids, and tall tales from the likes of Gil > 'Oztotl' Ediger, Sleaze, and the DirtDoc, not to mention SpeleoSteele, WaV, > and others, and certainly to mention the inimitable David Locklear. > > Sure, all the lists have a Rule Numero Uno that says all posts have to be > caving related. Some of them actually enforce that. The VAR list has ONLY > posts directly related to caving, and I get one, maybe two digests a week, > each with one message in them. Bo-ring! TAG-Net is always extolling the > virtues of it's 5,000-word trip reports, which put me straight to sleep. > Bo- ring!! And they have actually excommunicating cavers for not playing by > the rules! I love TAG, and I love Texas, but I don't cave there very often, > so mostly I scroll past the cave talk, looking for the interesting stuff. I > think Rule Numero Uno was misprinted -- it meant to say '"caver-related"... > After all, cavers are all one big happy family, and we all care about each > other, and what each other are doing and thinking. All that stuff should be > fair game on the list, so long as everybody uses a modicum of common sense > and tact. > > Oh well, I guess we're now off to see who has more fun, the list with the > latest trip to Airmans, or the list with tales by Sleaze and Gil and > Locklear, and other interesting stuff thought of/up/about BY cavers, and > therefore inherently cave(r) related. > > Alex > > -- > *Alex Sproul, NSS 8086* > *NSS IT Committee* > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Give > this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: > ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: > ot-h...@texascavers.com > > CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail and attachments may contain information which > is confidential and proprietary. Disclosure or use of any such information > without the written permission of Weston Solutions, Inc. is strictly > prohibited. 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