I'd like to participate in the forum. Please keep me
posted.
Thank you,

Kara

--- Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org>
wrote:

> Mark, David, both are very good ideas.  Our
> wonderful cavetex 
> (texascavers) mailing list is hosted by myself,
> which has no affiliation 
> with the TSA at all, other than being a member.  But
> as a member, I'm 
> here to help out as necessary.  I do have the skills
> and ability to host 
>   another "forum" for discussion, be it members of
> TSA only or an opt-in 
> list for direct TSA discussions.
> 
> We can do this via mailing list, or by a web based
> forum, for bulletin 
> board system.  This can be done quickly, easily and
> at no cost.
> 
> Anyone that wants to discuss it, contact me
> off-list.
> 
> Charles
> 
> Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote:
> >  
> > Superior write-up, thanks for posting it!
> >  
> > I'll add my 1/50th of a dollar below, plus a
> proposal I have.
> > 
> >
>
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> > *From:* David Locklear
> [mailto:dlocklea...@ev1.net]
> > *Sent:* Friday, September 01, 2006 7:25 AM
> > *To:* Cavetex
> > *Subject:* [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another
> opinion
> > 
> >  
> > I believe the TSA is at a cross-roads.     It has
> been there before, 
> > probably many times.      There are issues
> > that I believe need to be discussed.   I believe
> the best way to do that 
> > is on the internet on a forum separate but
> > similar to Cavetex.     There are some drawbacks
> to this.    For 
> > example, the e-mail box clutter.   And who is
> going
> > to maintain it?    I do not have the computer
> skills, to volunteer for 
> > that.   
> >  
> >  
> > *Since Andy G. and I have access to and maintain
> the TSA members list 
> > (Andy as Secretary and myself as the TC Editor), I
> am*
> > *volunteering to start/moderate/maintain a user
> group * *for all _PAID 
> > _TSA members that are interested in the friendly,
> positive, and congenial*
> > *free exchange of ideas and thoughts on the ideals
> of cave conservation, 
> > caving, events, projects, and camarderie that the
> TSA represents.*
> > ** 
> > *Think of this group as an amiable gathering of
> like-minded friends from 
> > around this far-flung state, who have chosen to
> congregate around the 
> > proverbial *
> > *electronic campfire of cyberspace for a free
> exchange of dialogue on 
> > how to take the TSA into the future, much like my
> favorite memories of 
> > gathering *
> > *around the fire pits at CBSP and Kickapoo Caverns
> after a hard day of 
> > mapping, surveying, brushwalking, etc. *
> > ** 
> > *Negative and hostile thinkers, rock throwers,
> gossipers, backbiters, 
> > anyone who is antagonistic/caustic/cantankerous,
> arsonists (folks who 
> > enjoy throwing a can of gas on the fire to incite
> flame wars and then 
> > stand back to watch), or folks who dwell on the he
> said/she said 
> > "someone done somebody wrong songs" of 1, 5, 10,
> 20 years ago*
> > *need not apply.*
> >  
> > *CaveTex is a great way for all cavers of all
> interests and affiliations 
> > throughout the state to converse, wisecrack,
> announce projects, and to 
> > generally BS.*
> > ** 
> > *This new group would not take away from that. It
> would just eliminate 
> > folks that have nothing to bring to the TSA table
> or else they'd be 
> > members.*
> >  
> > I believe someday that you will hear cavers
> discuss topics concerning 
> > the future of the TSA.
> >  
> > For example, back in the good ole days, people
> showed their caving 
> > photos to people in slide shows.     Soon
> > you will e-mail your slideshows, and we will all
> have giant plasma 
> > screens to view the photos in the privacy of
> > our home, while sitting on a soft leather
> recliner.     We will have 
> > video-conferencing to hold meetings.    We won't
> > need to drive across Texas to hold the convention.
>    We will have 
> > web-conventions.     I am willing to go so far
> > as to say that by 2030, we will all laugh at the
> idea of holding an 
> > outdoor convention.     How many of us will be
> > still be around in 2030.      I will only be a
> young 66, so for me it is 
> > something to that is plausible.    I think
> > if it is still done, it will only be for
> nostalgia's sake, like when 
> > we go caving with carbide.
> >  
> >  
> > *The advent of elctronics and the 'Net is the
> reason, David, that I 
> > firmly believe that the conventions, events, and
> projects that the TSA 
> > promotes that brings cavers face-to-face are all
> the more vital and 
> > important. *
> > ** 
> > *This from a longtime caver who just attended his
> first convention this 
> > year!*
> > ** 
> > *I love email, but, people are much less reluctant
> to issue disparaging 
> > remarks if that person is right in front of them.
> Email and the 'Net 
> > make it too easy issue to trash someone or to send
> an email or remark 
> > that is interpreted the wrong way.*
> > ** 
> > *Does the TSA have issues and the occasional
> "dysfunctional family 
> > moment", as my lovely wife likes to call them? *
> > ** 
> > *Heck, yes, but which family out there doesn't?!
> You just don't throw 
> > the baby out with the bath water.*
> > ** 
> > ** 
> > *Can these issues be worked thru and rectified?
> Sure and I think a 
> > dedicated TSA user group is a good first step.*
> > ** 
> > ** 
> > *Who's with me and whadda y'all think?*
> > ** 
> > ** 
> > ** 
> > *Mark Alman*
> > ** 
> > ** 
> > ** 
> > ** 
> > ** 
> > ** 
> 
> 
>
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