Someone in my friends list shared the link on fb as well, and I saw a
comment from an aceac member who claimed to have discovered that room..
what a tool! Following their logic I must have discovered it back in 2006
too

Mark, I believe the grapefruit room and the cloud room are the same, the
name seems to be interchangeable..

Be it as it may, these people are getting media attention and glory for
something they did not actually scoop, and to me thats just wrong and
unethical caving practice
El dic 18, 2014 12:25 PM, "Fofo via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:

> It would be hard to think that no one had been up to the Birthday Passage
> when at the top of the climb there's a hanger.
>
> And I'm sure that the Birthday Passage itself has tracks in the calcite
> sand.
>
> I believe Monica from the Asociacion Coahuilense is in this email list and
> maybe she will clarify?
>
> - Fofo
>
>
>
> > On 18/12/2014, at 09:59, Mark Minton via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> >
> > Nico,
> >
> >   I think you're right. The photo looks like something in the Birthday
> > Passage, known for 30 years or more to Texans. It's a sporting and
> > exposed climb to get up there, so maybe the coahuilense thought it
> > hadn't been done. Hopefully they won't get credit for long, once
> > someone points out the true history of the cave.
> >
> > Mark Minton
> > mmin...@caver.net
> >
> >> On Wed, December 17, 2014 10:00 pm, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers
> wrote:
> >> While browsing the news today I found an article on the El Norte website
> >> about in Grutas del Palmito aka Bustamante, said article talks about the
> >> "new discoveries" made in the cave by members of the asociacion
> coahuilense
> >> de espeleologia, or aceac using a drone to film upper levels of the cave
> >> and mentioned the uniqueness of the speleothems found in that "newly
> found
> >> part of the cave"
> >>
> >> The reason why Im using quotes is because the article features a
> prominent
> >> picture of the Cloud Room, and correct me if Im wrong but, hasnt that
> part
> >> of the cave been explored for decades? Heck, I was even there almost 10
> >> years ago!!!!
> >>
> >> Looks like someone is taking undeserved credit here..
> >>
> >> link to the article <Descubren nuevos salones en grutas Félix Barrón
> >> Monterrey, México (17 diciembre 2014).- Una investigación realizada
> >> recientemente por especialistas de la Asociación Coahuilense de
> >> Espeleologí­a en las Grutas de Bustamante descubrió nuevos salones con
> >> formaciones únicas en el País. A través de un dron, que captó
> >> imágenes en
> >> la parte superior de las grutas, exploradas hasta ahora en un 10 por
> >> ciento, reveló espeleotemas que comprueban la antigüedad de la
> >> formación y
> >> su importancia. "Tiene todo tipo de espeleotemas registrados,
> espeleotemas
> >> únicos en México y al aparecer en Latinoamérica", expresó en rueda de
> >> prensa Ana Gabriela Morales, presidenta de la Asociación Coahuilense de
> >> Espeleología. Leer más:
> >>
> http://www.elnorte.com/aplicacioneslibre/preacceso/articulo/default.aspx?id=421027&v=5&urlredirect=http://www.elnorte.com/aplicaciones/articulo/default.aspx?id=421027&v=5#ixzz3MDGsMFIL
> >
> >> but its by subscription only
> >
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