You're so cute.
> On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:13 PM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers > <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > > Oddly enough, this afternoon I received a form that I need to fill out in > order to have a paper reviewed in eLife, an Open Access journal. > > The form is entitled, "eLife’s transparent reporting form.” > > It consists of detailed questions about how the data was collected, analyzed > and any statistical analysis performed on the data. > > This is information that is required from the authors, not from the people > cited in the acknowledgements. > > I refer interested parties to the following web site: > > https://elifesciences.org/elife-news/elife-method-and-methodology-data-collection > > I love y’all as cavers, but please, if you’re going to pass judgement on > scientific publishing, try to think about how scientific publishing is done > nowadays, and realize that for different fields, there are different methods > of data collection. Not to mention the rapidly changing field of open versus > closed access publication—this stuff is changing almost under our feet. > > Diana > > ************************************************** > Diana R. Tomchick > Professor > Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry > University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center > 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. > Rm. ND10.214A > Dallas, TX 75390-8816 > diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu > (214) 645-6383 (phone) > (214) 645-6353 (fax) > >> On Aug 31, 2016, at 2:57 PM, texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: >> >> As a scientist, I generally agree with the need for multiple "authors", >> including people who had nothing to do with actually writing an article. >> However it does seem to have gotten a bit out of control and now people >> are listed as authors who should more correctly be listed in the >> Acknowledgments. >> As cavers, we do not follow this trend. Caving articles, even about >> whole expeditions, are usually authored by no more than three people, >> and usually just one or two. Typically every member of the expedition >> was important, and they should be mentioned by name in the text, but I >> don't think they should be listed as authors. >> >> Geary, >> Long lists of authors have been a hallmark of physics papers for >> decades. I have a paper from 1989 (Physical Review Letters) with 188 >> authors. The list took up the entire first page of the article. And that >> was long before the CERN Large Hadron Collider came into being. As huge >> collaborations in physics and astronomy become more common, long author >> lists are, sadly, likely to become ever more common. >> >> Mark Minton >> mmin...@caver.net >> >>> On Wed, August 31, 2016 1:46 pm, via Texascavers wrote: >>> That said, it is often the case that the relative value of an article is >>> inversely proportional to the number of authors cited. Given the current >>> frenzy to publish and be recognized for Pd work, it would not be >>> surprising if the number of authors exceeded the length of the article. >>> >>> Jerry Atkinson. >>> >>>> On Wed, August 31, 2016 1:27 pm, Geary Schindel via Texascavers wrote: >>>> Diana, >>>> >>>> Very well said, I was thinking of replying also but you hit the nail on >>>> the head. Most research these days are a collaboration between many >>>> scientists and laboratories. I think the best example I've seen is some >>>> of the Super Collider work that might have 150 authors for a paper. >>>> >>>> Geary Schindel >>>> gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Texascavers On Behalf Of Diana Tomchick via Texascavers >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:16 PM >>>> To: Cave Tex >>>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] White-Nose Syndrome in PNW scientific article >>>> >>>> Let me clarify what constitutes authorship on a scientific article. >>>> >>>> It does not necessarily mean that a person wrote one of the paragraphs. >>>> In fact, in the future we may have artificial intelligence to thank for >>>> writing much of the routine text in our articles and technical manuals. >>>> >>>> It DOES mean that an author is a person that is responsible for one or >>>> more of the following: >>>> >>>> Coming up with the original idea (i.e., the hypothesis) for the >>>> experiment Collecting data Analyzing data Presenting data (in graphical, >>>> written or other forms such as videos, etc.) Supervising the people that >>>> collect, analyze and present the data Drawing important conclusions from >>>> the data and testing new hypotheses that result from this all-important >>>> step Writing the text of the final document >>>> >>>> You want and NEED all of these people to be listed as authors-as they >>>> are the ones that are legitimately responsible for the final published >>>> work. If there are any questions about what is presented in the work, >>>> everyone knows who is responsible. >>>> >>>> We call this transparency, which unfortunately is lacking in other >>>> important human endeavors. >>>> >>>> Diana >>>> >>>> ************************************************** >>>> Diana R. Tomchick >>>> Professor >>>> Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry University of Texas >>>> Southwestern Medical Center >>>> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. >>>> Rm. ND10.214A >>>> Dallas, TX 75390-8816 >>>> diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu >>>> (214) 645-6383 (phone) >>>> (214) 645-6353 (fax) >>>> >>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:59 AM, Cavers Texas wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Wow! Fourteen alleged authors for an article with eight paragraphs. >>>>> How many of those people do you think were really authors, i.e., >>>>> writers? How many of them were just bottle washers? -- Mixon >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > > ________________________________ > > UT Southwestern > > > Medical Center > > > > The future of medicine, today. > > _______________________________________________ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers _______________________________________________ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
