Like I said, all we can do is try our best. Mike
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Robert B <robert.c.b1...@gmail.com> Date: 4/26/17 15:40 (GMT-06:00) To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] New Mexico gear restrictions I like meaningful discussions on this list serve and think it enhances our understanding of different topics and viewpoints and I encourage the respectful dialog of PD in Texas I just want everybody to know that the White Nose Syndrome Protocol for the 2017 Convention of the National Speleological Society was not some arbitrary decision Its just the best the NSS can do and follow the rules set forth by the NFS NPS and BLM So with that said, Mike Harris and you have valid points. PD could be in the seat covers and carpets of our caving vehicles and Childress County Texas is a hell of a long way away from Culberson or El Paso Counties On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Joe Ranzau <jran...@gmail.com<mailto:jran...@gmail.com>> wrote: Rob - While I don't feel singled out I do think the definition of Texas as the area is arbitrary. We are different in size than say those states back east. While I'm absolutely not an expert, it is my understanding that the researchers did monitoring of our typical caves in central and parts of west texas without finding the fungus. Meaning our area is not yet a known local. For perspective, I drove to college station on monday. On Tuesday, I drove out east for an hour less and crossed into three different states, Virginia, Maryland and Delaware, with Pennsylvania being less than 5 miles away from where I stopped. Meaning, state lines might be relevant for some areas but perhaps Texas is special, we certainly like to think we are anyway... Thanks for listening, Joe On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Robert B <robert.c.b1...@gmail.com<mailto:robert.c.b1...@gmail.com>> wrote: Texas Cavers are not being singled out... The ban applies to all cavers and gear that have ever been in an area with PD. Please read the official White Nose Syndrome Protocol for the 2017 Convention of the National Speleological Society link below http://nss2017.caves.org/NSS2017_WNS_Protocol.pdf Note: Most of the 2017 Convention Caves are located on land managed by the National Park Service, the Bureau of Land Management, and the U.S. Forest Service. These agencies have policies prohibiting the use of gear from a WNS-positive area; the 2017 Convention is adhering to those policies. I appreciate and recognize some of the topics regarding the particulars of this ban. Example: what constitutes "gear" exactly. Example: Many Texas Cavers have never caved in North Texas where PD has been discovered. However, one must also recognize that the research teams locating PD in Texas have not looked exactly how far south PD might have traveled. Hence the blanket Ban On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Joe Ranzau <jran...@gmail.com<mailto:jran...@gmail.com>> wrote: Would it solve the arbitrary ban on all Texas gear if I decided to cave nekkid at convention? In all seriousness, decon protocols and a reasonable ban on contaminated gear makes sense. A blanket ban on all Texas gear doesn't, folks seem to forget that state boundaries are political and have little practical relevance to the spread of something found in a remote and rarely caved in portion of the state. It's like saying no US gear is welcome in Mexico (hyperbole, I know). Before I'm jumped, I appreciate all that everyone is doing to host convention, protect our bat friends and manage government agencies that would just as easily close caves as deal with these issues. I'm just asking for some common sense consideration or more elaboration on the reasoning. Joe On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Allan Cobb <a...@oztotl.com<mailto:a...@oztotl.com>> wrote: If you have ever caved nekkid in Texas, you will not be allowed to cave nekkid in New Mexico. Allan On 4/26/2017 12:52 PM, Stefan Creaser wrote: Cave nekkid, I say... Stefan Creaser Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM 5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA. Direct: +1-512-314-1012<tel:%2B1-512-314-1012>, Internal: 11012. Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com<mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com>. Skype: stefan_creaser -----Original Message----- From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com>] On Behalf Of John Kerr Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 12:47 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] New Mexico gear restrictions So no clothing, footwear, lights, rope, vertical gear, packs, camping equipment, etc. that has ever been in a Texas cave should be brought to New Mexico at all, let alone go underground. Some people may be sporting entirely new wardrobes. ;-) John Kerr jck...@gmail.com<mailto:jck...@gmail.com> Sent from my iPhone On Apr 24, 2017, at 7:24 AM, Jacqueline Thomas <jlrtho...@verizon.net<mailto:jlrtho...@verizon.net>> wrote: You bet, Mark. It was your question regarding how long ago? that prompted folks to ask me to pass on the latest through the remailer. Jacq. J. LaRue Thomas jlrtho...@verizon.net<mailto:jlrtho...@verizon.net> On Apr 24, 2017, at 6:44 AM, mark gee <markageetxca...@yahoo.com<mailto:markageetxca...@yahoo.com>> wrote: Thanks Jacqui On Saturday, April 22, 2017 10:35 PM, Jacqueline Thomas <jlrtho...@verizon.net<mailto:jlrtho...@verizon.net>> wrote: I just got home from the Spring Convention for the Southwest Region and I said I would post the gear update since Pd has been identified in Texas: No Texas gear that has been in a Texas cave can come to New Mexico. We all either need new, dedicated gear for NM or we need to borrow New Mexico gear when we get there. There is no safe date (as in, “I haven’t caved with this gear for 3 years”). And so it goes. Jacqui J. 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