The Fort Stanton Museum has an exhibit on Fort Stanton Cave and it includes a carbide light and old-style helmet, thanks to a donator. Linda Starr
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 3:11 PM 'Geary Schindel' via Southwestern Cavers of the National Speleological Society <swrcav...@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Mimi, > > > > I think it would be nice to have you donate one of your carbide lamps to > the NSS Museum. One for both you and Jim. We are getting a bunch of new > display cases and they are looking to put out items from our many > noteworthy members. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Geary Schindel > > > > *From:* Texascavers <texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com> *On Behalf Of *Linda > Starr > *Sent:* Monday, January 31, 2022 3:51 PM > *To:* Mimi Jasek <mjca...@gmail.com> > *Cc:* Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>; John Lyles < > j...@losalamos.com>; N E W L I S T Southwestern Cavers of the National > Speleological Society <swrcav...@googlegroups.com> > *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Suunto repair > > > > External Email > > Mimi, > > You should donate your carbide and carbide lamps to some grotto that will > use them, maybe for a carbide-specific grotto trip, as the Sandia Grotto > may be planning. Just a suggestion. Take it or leave it and > > Take care, > > Linda Starr > > > > On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 7:50 PM Mimi Jasek <mjca...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I’m with you Pete. Jim never went to Suunto - always Brunton. But then he > did not do much wet cave surveying, nor deep vertical stuff. Although he > will never go caving again, we still have lots of carbide lamps and some > carbide, along with our LED lights. I still love that smell! Lol > > > > Mimi Jasek > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 30, 2022, at 8:26 PM, P Lindsley <caverp...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Brunton’s also work well, but there is hardly anyone left that knows how > to use one. > > > > Years ago 5 of us were surveying a mile in a wet suit stream passage in > Colossal Cave, Ky. Roger Brucker and Alan Hill went to the “end” to survey > back, Art & Peg Palmer and myself started surveying “in”. We made good time > and bragged about it when we met the other team. Their story was that the > Brunton was dropped in a muddy pool, too muddy to see the instrument. When > they finally fished it out of the drink it was full of water. But they used > their carbide lights to boil out the water, and when dry enough they > started surveying. Can’t do that today with LED lights. > > > > My 3 Brunton’s still work, long ago my 3-4 Suuntos clouded up and were no > longer useful. > > > > - Pete > > > > On Jan 30, 2022, at 1:20 PM, John Lyles <j...@losalamos.com> wrote: > > > > George, thanks for sharing this. Ben Meadows and FS used to be > competitors. I'm glad at least one is still going. I just tossed my old > hardcopy catalogs from them the other day. Around 2006 we started noticing > that the face of Suuntos was getting cracked frequently. They had changed > to some different plastic fabrication. It's possible that the earlier ones > had a domed lens where the newer ones were flat. Many cavers started gluing > a thin sheet of transparent polycarbonate over the lens, still admitting > light of course. Another solution was to always keep it in the pouch and > add a thin piece or Micarta or FR4 circuit board material 0.03 or 0.06 > thick in the pouch on the face side. > > The Nat Park at Carlsbad was slow at adopting this approach and those of > us who broke our share of government Suuntos were intimately familiar with > the problem. We carried them in small Otter boxes but it was inevitable > that someone would be shooting a station in a crawl and accidentally crawl > to the next shot with it hanging from neck, to then find that unmistakeable > wet spot on their shirt with that oily fluid. It wasn't abnormal to have > one leaking out of 4 that we took underground on camp trips, so extras were > brought along. I think the CRO had a regular annual budget item repairing > them. > > On one trip we took a CRO staffer on the second trip up to OZ in > Lechuguilla Cave. Between three of us we had several Suuntos, despite my > suggestion that we bring extras. I think we managed to kill one, leaking > fluid, tried duct tape, hold it only face up, etc. We managed to survey > with a bubble and that finally changed the reluctance to install plastic > guards on the Park's inventory. > > Disto X2's also benefit from having a thin plastic sheet over the display, > as it can be cracked if pressed face against a rock, to ruin a $500 > instrument. I modified mine and the collection belonging to the Fort > Stanton Cave Study Project. > > John > > On Jan 30, 2022, at 10:52 AM, George Veni <gv...@nckri.org> wrote: > > While many cavers are now using DistoX2s for surveying, many of us still > have and use Suuntos. I was on trip yesterday and found the face of my > Suunto compass had cracked, creating a large bubble inside the instrument > that makes it hard to use accurately. Years ago, I’d send my Suuntos off to > the Ben Meadow Company for repair. I hadn’t heard of anyone doing that > recently, so I looked into it and am posting this note in case anyone finds > it helpful. > > > > > > > > > > Ben Meadows is now part of Forestry Suppliers. And they do repair Suunto > compasses and clinometers (among other things) for about $100 less than > buying a new one. 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