He did indeed. Thank him for me. Bill
> On Jan 31, 2022, at 8:13 PM, Mimi Jasek <mjca...@gmail.com> wrote: > > And James Jasek provided a good bit of the carbide as I remember! > > Mimi Jasek > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 31, 2022, at 6:55 PM, Bill Steele <cwilliamste...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Here in Texas we have an annual auction benefitting the good work of the >> Texas Cave Management Association (TCMA - see: https://www.tcmacaves.org/). >> I was the first auctioneer about 16 years ago, and a good time is always had >> by all. >> >> For the auctions in 2018 and 2019 I offered a carbide-lamp-only trip for six >> cavers to a long and mostly walking passage in Texas’ second longest cave. >> It raised $1,500 the first year and $1,200 the second, as I recall. This >> item was the finale of the auction and saw fierce bidding. >> >> The most fun was the trip itself. To be with younger cavers who had never >> operated a carbide lamp, smelled one, blew into one to get it to flare up, >> and to get a loud “pop!” when lighting one, was a joy for me. One caver said >> to me after the trip, “It’s like every carbide lamp has it’s own >> personality: one you blow into, one you shake, one you speak nicely to; >> they’re all different” >> >> Cavingly yours, >> >> Bill Steele (NSS 8072) >> Irving, Texas >> >>>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 3:51 PM, Linda Starr <lstarr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>> >>> Mimi, >>> You should donate your carbide and carbide lamps to some grotto that will >>> use them, maybe for a carbide-specific grotto trip, as the Sandia Grotto >>> may be planning. Just a suggestion. Take it or leave it and >>> Take care, >>> Linda Starr >>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 7:50 PM Mimi Jasek <mjca...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> I’m with you Pete. Jim never went to Suunto - always Brunton. But then he >>>> did not do much wet cave surveying, nor deep vertical stuff. Although he >>>> will never go caving again, we still have lots of carbide lamps and some >>>> carbide, along with our LED lights. I still love that smell! Lol >>>> >>>> Mimi Jasek >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jan 30, 2022, at 8:26 PM, P Lindsley <caverp...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Brunton’s also work well, but there is hardly anyone left that knows how >>>>> to use one. >>>>> >>>>> Years ago 5 of us were surveying a mile in a wet suit stream passage in >>>>> Colossal Cave, Ky. Roger Brucker and Alan Hill went to the “end” to >>>>> survey back, Art & Peg Palmer and myself started surveying “in”. We made >>>>> good time and bragged about it when we met the other team. Their story >>>>> was that the Brunton was dropped in a muddy pool, too muddy to see the >>>>> instrument. When they finally fished it out of the drink it was full of >>>>> water. But they used their carbide lights to boil out the water, and when >>>>> dry enough they started surveying. Can’t do that today with LED lights. >>>>> >>>>> My 3 Brunton’s still work, long ago my 3-4 Suuntos clouded up and were no >>>>> longer useful. >>>>> >>>>> - Pete >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 30, 2022, at 1:20 PM, John Lyles <j...@losalamos.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> George, thanks for sharing this. Ben Meadows and FS used to be >>>>>> competitors. I'm glad at least one is still going. I just tossed my old >>>>>> hardcopy catalogs from them the other day. Around 2006 we started >>>>>> noticing that the face of Suuntos was getting cracked frequently. They >>>>>> had changed to some different plastic fabrication. It's possible that >>>>>> the earlier ones had a domed lens where the newer ones were flat. Many >>>>>> cavers started gluing a thin sheet of transparent polycarbonate over >>>>>> the lens, still admitting light of course. Another solution was to >>>>>> always keep it in the pouch and add a thin piece or Micarta or FR4 >>>>>> circuit board material 0.03 or 0.06 thick in the pouch on the face >>>>>> side. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Nat Park at Carlsbad was slow at adopting this approach and those of >>>>>> us who broke our share of government Suuntos were intimately familiar >>>>>> with the problem. We carried them in small Otter boxes but it was >>>>>> inevitable that someone would be shooting a station in a crawl and >>>>>> accidentally crawl to the next shot with it hanging from neck, to then >>>>>> find that unmistakeable wet spot on their shirt with that oily fluid. It >>>>>> wasn't abnormal to have one leaking out of 4 that we took underground on >>>>>> camp trips, so extras were brought along. I think the CRO had a regular >>>>>> annual budget item repairing them. >>>>>> >>>>>> On one trip we took a CRO staffer on the second trip up to OZ in >>>>>> Lechuguilla Cave. Between three of us we had several Suuntos, despite my >>>>>> suggestion that we bring extras. I think we managed to kill one, leaking >>>>>> fluid, tried duct tape, hold it only face up, etc. We managed to survey >>>>>> with a bubble and that finally changed the reluctance to install plastic >>>>>> guards on the Park's inventory. >>>>>> >>>>>> Disto X2's also benefit from having a thin plastic sheet over the >>>>>> display, as it can be cracked if pressed face against a rock, to ruin a >>>>>> $500 instrument. I modified mine and the collection belonging to the >>>>>> Fort Stanton Cave Study Project. >>>>>> >>>>>> John >>>>>>> On Jan 30, 2022, at 10:52 AM, George Veni <gv...@nckri.org> wrote: >>>>>>> While many cavers are now using DistoX2s for surveying, many of us >>>>>>> still have and use Suuntos. I was on trip yesterday and found the face >>>>>>> of my Suunto compass had cracked, creating a large bubble inside the >>>>>>> instrument that makes it hard to use accurately. Years ago, I’d send my >>>>>>> Suuntos off to the Ben Meadow Company for repair. I hadn’t heard of >>>>>>> anyone doing that recently, so I looked into it and am posting this >>>>>>> note in case anyone finds it helpful. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ben Meadows is now part of Forestry Suppliers. And they do repair >>>>>>> Suunto compasses and clinometers (among other things) for about $100 >>>>>>> less than buying a new one. For more information, go to >>>>>>> https://www.forestry-suppliers.com/RepairList.php. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> George >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ******************** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> George Veni, PhD >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Executive Director, National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> President, International Union of Speleology (UIS) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> NCKRI address (primary) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 400-1 Cascades Avenue >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220 USA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Office: +575-887-5517 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mobile: +210-863-5919 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fax: +575-887-5523 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> gv...@nckri.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> www.nckri.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> UIS address >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Titov trg 2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Postojna, 6230 Slovenia >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> www.uis-speleo.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> www.iyck2021.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Southwestern Cavers of the National Speleological Society" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to swrcavers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/swrcavers/fb6b1c7a-3aee-46eb-8ee4-e6e02bda0664%40losalamos.com. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "Southwestern Cavers of the National Speleological Society" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to swrcavers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/swrcavers/0A3F73C2-444D-4093-BBF9-BB96999349AA%40gmail.com. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "Southwestern Cavers of the National Speleological Society" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to swrcavers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/swrcavers/49D4621B-6D5C-462B-9A30-12F004F3CFEA%40gmail.com. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >>> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >>> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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