Oldman kicks himself? How can he say as a rev learned that dasaratha? Dasaratha connection ids different; and Anga desam is different. Accept old man you are down with your memory KR
On Sun, 5 May 2024 at 21:19, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear folks > > One can always depend on a notorious bluffologist and super-faker for > calling the kettle black, when his own pot badly needs keeling. > > The torrent of nonsense boldly headed "*KR -- ONE MORE FAKE FOLKLORE*" > is no exception. > > The super-faker juggles what he recalls about the conflicting accounts in > the mahaa-bhaaratham and about the raamaayanam and -- despite splitting > fine hairs and despite copy-pasting extensively, irrelevant rubbish from > other sources -- fails dismally to disprove the core truth which I was > illustrating, i.e.* faith, and the proper performance of appropriat vedic > rituals, can overcome and alter natural phenomena like drought.* > > The story of avowed strict brahmachaari rishya-shringa -- kidnapped under > false pretences by employing courtesans steeped in immorality -- bringing > rain to a parched land, whether called Anga territory ruled by Romapa or an > empire ruled by Dasaratha, is a mere legend related to > Dasarstha's charioteer by Sanat Kumara. > > The common link is not disputed:- > > "*Sage Rishyasringa is also a son-in-law to King Dasharatha. Princess > Shanta, in a distant relationship is a daughter to King Dasharatha in > relation and the adopted daughter of Romapaada**, the King of Anga. Thus, > Sumantra's saying son-in-law also means Dasharatha's son-in-law, besides > Romapada’s.*" > > S Narayanaswamy Iyer > > On Sun, May 5, 2024 at 10:16 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> CULTURAL QA 05202405 >> >> Q1 What are the stories of Lord Krishna that give you >> goosebumps? >> >> KR Thank God Trivandrum doctor was not asked to explain this >> phenomenon!!! Disk prolapse in 3 months cured By Krishna -may not be a >> FAKE NEWS? Faith MAY even move the mountain. However, if it’s a real >> prolapse, had that Doctor sent messages all over, Chandrasekar my friend >> could have been cured. Is there media news? Can Goose bump? See below NB. >> *** >> >> >> >> Q2 When did aluminium become cheap? >> >> KR Yes correct; Before this breakthrough, aluminium was >> considered a luxury item, and it was even used to cap the Washington >> Monument in the United States as a symbol of wealth and prestige. >> However, once the Hall-Héroult process was introduced, aluminium became >> much more abundant and its price dropped significantly, making it widely >> available for various industrial and consumer applications. >> >> >> >> Q4 When Shri Krishna returned after the war of Mahabharata, >> Rukmani, was filled with anger and questioned him. Why? >> >> KR ONE MORE FAKE FOLKLORE >> >> ***NB 1 Can faith move mountains? If we see commercial on liners >> advertising as honest, will give only the positive descriptions; and then >> as if waiting, their own 3 or 4 people will eulogise that product and there >> will be one harsh comment too. Thereafter it is rare any other purchasers >> added any comments at all. But the consumers are attracted and rush to buy >> that product. Fake products and Fake advt comments. And the sales galore >> and mute purchasers. So too, once something is written, immediately if 2 >> comments as advt passed, it becomes genuine? >> >> 2 According to the Mahabharata, Vibhandaka, a renowned sage and a >> son of Kashyapa, travels in Mahahrada, when he sees Urvashi, the most >> beautiful apsara (nymph). Aroused, he emits his seed, which fell into the >> river. A doe, who is a cursed apsara, swallows it and becomes pregnant due >> to the sage's miraculous powers. After she gives birth to a boy, she is >> liberated from the curse and returns to heaven. The boy is born with horns >> and because of which, he is named Rishyasringa. Vibhandaka decides to raise >> him isolated from society. Rishyasringa grows up in his father's ashram in >> the forest, unaware of existence of any female. He practices brahmacharya >> and acquires magical and miraculous powers due to his chastity. >> >> 3 Meanwhile, Romapada—the King of Anga—offends a Brahmin, due to >> which no other Brahmin agrees to perform yajna (fire-sacrifice). This >> upsets Indra, the king of the gods, and he stops raining on Anga. As a >> result, the kingdom suffers from drought and famine. Romapada is told >> that the only way to bring rainfall is by bringing a man with perfect >> chastity into the kingdom. Romapada learns of Rishyasringa and despite his >> fear of the power and anger of Vibhandaka, he sends some courtesans to >> Rishyasringa >> to bring him into his kingdom. During Vibhandaka's absence, the women >> come to his ashram and meet Rishyasringa. They tell him that they were >> hermits. Rishyasringa becomes astonished by seeing their appearance and >> invites them to perform tapas (penance) with him. Before Vibhandaka >> arrives, the women leave the place. Rishyasringa becomes love-sick and >> ignores his daily duties. The next day, the courtesans return and take >> Rishyasringa to Anga. As a result, the kingdom receives bountiful rains and >> Rishyasringa marries Shanta. Much of the story is taken up by accounts of >> the feelings of the young man as he becomes aware of women for the first >> time. {KR so it is not Dasarathan and that day Ayodhya in famine} >> >> 4 The story can be found in both the Ramayana and the Mahabharata. >> According to the Ramayana, Rishyasringa was the chief priest when the King >> Dasharatha performed a yajna to beget progeny, and Rama, Bharata, and the >> twins Lakshmana and Shatrughna were born. >> >> CORRECT VERSION OF RAMAYANA AND NOT AS STATED BY SOME FAKE MEMBER: >> >> Valmiki Ramayana - Bala Kanda in Prose Sarga 9 >> >> Sumantra, the minister of King Dasharatha, details the importance of Sage >> Rishyasringa and beseeches the king to invite that sage to preside over the >> contemplated Vedic ritual, for that Sage's entry into any kingdom is >> auspicious for that land and people.Sumantra, the charioteer and one of the >> misters of King Dasharatha, having heard all about the king's desire to >> perform a Vedic ritual, said this in confidence to king, "Oh, king, I will >> tell an early legend, an early legendary narration that I listened... "Oh, >> king, I have earlier heard of this present advice given to you by Vedic >> scholars, as godly Sage Sanatkumara has once narrated an account about the >> arrival of your sons in the presence of other sages, and sage Sanat Kumara >> said... He said that "Sage Kashyapa has a son known as Vibhaandaka, and his >> son will be the renowned Sage Rishyasringa, and that Sage Rishyasringa will >> grow up in forests, and will always be dwelling in forest... >> >> Here the word used by Sumantra is tava putra aagamam , it renders as >> 'the arrival of your sons', meaning that sons of King Dasharatha arrive >> from Heavens, but not through an ordinary parturition. Even earlier in time >> to that of Dasharatha, Sage Sanatkumara predicted the 'arrival' of Vishnu >> as Rama. The birth-event associated with Rishyasringa’s name is that he is >> born with a horn on the crown of his head. Thus he is named as >> Rishyasringa, i.e., em> R^iSi the Sage; shR^i~Nga horn; a Sage with a horn >> on his forehead at his birth time. This being the mythological import, he >> is an acme among sages, as shR^i~Nga also means a peak."Not knowing others, >> that Brahman the best, namely Rishyasringa, will always be abiding his >> father and he will follow celibacy of two kinds Brahmanical vows namely >> vratitva , praajaapatya ...Or Not knowing others that Brahman the best, >> will always be abiding his father, lest his renowned celibacy always >> praised by the Brahmans, will be hindered. >> >> The word dvaividhyam also means two kinds of celibacy, vratitva and >> prajaapatyam. One, as a bachelor and the other after marriage, voluntarily >> distancing away from his wife on certain forbidden days like full moon and >> new moon days, during daytime, eclipses, and other astronomical occurrences >> and some more. This kind of self-imposed celibacy is one way of observing >> sustained family planning methods, instead of resorting to medicaments. >> Here, this word is more nearer to mean 'hindrance', than to mean the 'two >> way celibacy' as deciphered by some commentators. "In the world he >> becomes famous for his celibacy, oh king, and he will always be praised by >> Brahmans, and thus time will pass on with that kind of his conduct... >> Sage Rishyasringa loses no time with his servitor-ship to the Sacrificial >> Fire and also to his celebrated father, and during this period alone there >> will be a famed and very strong king Romapaada, a valiant in Anga >> country... But by a violation of righteousness of that king there will >> be a shocking and devastating famine in that country... While the famine >> is besetting that king Roamapada will be afflicted with grim, and on >> summoning Brahmans and learned scholars he will address them..." ‘All of >> you are well versed in rituals and knowers of the world history... order me >> how to how the purification from sin will be..." ‘Thus said by king those >> scholarly Brahmans and Vedic scholars will say to the king, 'oh, king, son >> of Sage Vibhaandaka, namely Rishyasringa, is to be fetched by all methods... >> >> "Oh! King, having brought Sage Rishyasringa and honouring him well >> with good care, procedurally give him your daughter Shanta in marriage to >> that Vedic Brahman and the son of Sage Vibhaandaka... On listening them the >> king becomes thoughtful about the idea by which it is possible to bring >> that self-controlled sage to his place...Then that intellectual king >> decides along with ministers, to dispatch clergymen and ministers, >> honouring them well, and then sends them..."They on hearing king's words >> are awestruck and lowering their faces they will say, 'we can not go there >> as we are afraid of sage Vibhandaka, father of Rishyasringa...' After >> thinking over they will say as a second thought, and having found a >> solution with a plan to bring that sage, 'we will fetch that Brahman and >> also by that no stigma will occur...' >> >> "Thus by the king of Anga kingdom and by his courtesans the son of >> sage Rishyasringa will be brought and the presiding deity for rains will >> showers rains, and Shanta will also be given in marriage to that sage...’ >> "Sage Rishyasringa, son-in-law of Romapaada, King of Anga ad as well as to >> you, if invited to our kingdom he will bless you to beget sons, oh! King... >> so said Sage Sanatkumaara to other sages and all this is retold by me." >> Thus the charioteer and the Minister Sumantra completed his narration in >> confidence to King Dasharatha. >> >> Comment: Sage Rishyasringa is also a son-in-law to King Dasharatha. >> Princess Shanta, in a distant relationship is a daughter to King >> Dasharatha in relation and the adopted daughter of Romapaada, the King >> of Anga. Thus, Sumantra's saying son-in-law also means Dasharatha's >> son-in-law, besides Romapada’s. >> >> 5 The Naḷinikā Jātaka (Jā 526) introduces a past life of the >> Buddha, a sage, living alone in the Himālayas. There is semen in the urine >> he passes, a doe who eats the grass in that place gets pregnant from it. A >> human boy named Isisiṅga (Pali) is later born to the deer and he grows >> up in complete seclusion from mankind, and most importantly, from >> womankind. He even doesn't know the difference in the body and appearance >> of the two.The boy's ascetic power becomes so great that it disturbs the >> god Sakka, the lord of heaven, who causes a drought to occur in the country >> and blames it on the boy. He then convinces the King to send his daughter >> to seduce him and to break the austerity of the young seer and to reduce >> his ascetic power. The King and his daughter accept Sakka's reasoning and >> in good faith – and for the benefit of the country – agree to be part of >> the plot The girl dresses up as an ascetic and while the father is away >> gathering roots and fruits in the forest, she manages to seduce the boy, >> who has never seen a woman before. Through their revelling, the boy does >> indeed lose his powers, after which the girl departs. When his father >> returns, the infatuated boy informs him of the girl, only to be instructed >> and rebuked by his father. He then repents for his actions. >> >> 6 Jātaka 523, the Alambusā Jātaka, also recounts a similar story of >> Isisinga, >> in one other previous life of Bodhisattva. Here, Sakka chooses a heavenly >> nymph to seduce the ascetic. The outcome is the same: the sage is seduced, >> repents and Sakka is thwarted. In response, he grants a boon to the >> seductress. >> >> 7 The story also appears in the Mahāvastu (Jones' translation pp. >> 139–147), but Ekaśr̥ṅga, as he is known here, is the Bodhisattva, and >> Nalinī is a past life of Yaśodharā. A major variation in this version of >> the story is Ekaśr̥ṅga's ignorance of his marriage to the girl. He >> succumbs to worldly responsibilities, eventually becoming king and >> fathering 32 children before retiring again to the forest and regaining his >> former powers. >> >> 8 According to the Tuṅgabhadrāmahātmya which is a division of a >> Mahapuranas,[8] Rishyasringa is regarded to have been born from a place >> near Sringeri in Karnataka. There is an ancient big temple nearby which is >> believed to be the place where he lived before moving to Ayodhya.[9] >> Sringeri is also known as ShringaGiri (Sanskrit: the hills where >> RishyaShringaresided). The Shiva linga with which the sage merged, can be >> seen today at the temple in Kigga. >> >> 9 There is a temple of rishyashringa named 'Chehni fort' situated in >> Banjar tehsil of Kullu District Himachal Pradesh. In Banjar valley, >> Rishyasringa is called "Shringa Rishi" by the locals. An idol of Shringa >> Rishi with the goddess Shanta is present in the temple. This place is about >> 50 km from Kullu. Rishyasringa is the presiding deity of this secluded >> valley named Banjar. >> >> KR Here was no faith moving the mountain; confused minds believe >> and it is harmless so we do believe. K RAJARAM IRS 5524 >> >> On Sat, 4 May 2024 at 23:41, 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> *CULTURAL QA 05-2024-05* >>> >>> *All the BELOW QA are from Quora digest to me on 05-05-2024.* >>> >>> * Quora answers need not be 100% correct answers * >>> >>> *.Compiled **and posted by R. Gopala krishnan, on 05-05-2024* >>> >>> *Q1 What are the stories of Lord Krishna that give you >>> goosebumps?* >>> >>> A1 Dr Arsha M Dev, MBBS MD in Bachelor of Medicine and >>> Bachelor of Surgery Degrees, Doctor of Medicine (Graduated 2023)7mo >>> >>> There was a girl who loved Lord Krishna very much from her very young >>> age.She had to face a lot of hardships to reach her dream of becoming a >>> Doctor.Yet she believed in Krishna so much.When her graduation was just a >>> few months away,a terrible back ache occurred.The pain was not subsiding >>> and it progressed to foot drop ( inability to use left foot.This made her >>> walking difficult.The MRI scan revealed that she was having a severe disc >>> prolapse affecting her nerves to the foot which may make her crippled for >>> life.The emergency measure was a surgery.The surgery could save her from >>> complete paralysis of the left leg,but the already occurred neurological >>> damage to the foot was not correctable. >>> >>> The girl was shattered.There was no one to guide her.She herself was a >>> Doctor,so she very well knew the consequences if surgery was not done.She >>> was given a choice - either to proceed with surgery or leave everything to >>> conservative treatment ( medicines alone) which in her case had negligible >>> chances of success.Her faith in Krishna was strong - she knew everything >>> occurred for a reason. The surgery was a little risky one.She planned to >>> proceed with the conservative treatment, believing in Krishna. >>> >>> The senior Doctor who suggested her the treatment was also a devotee,his >>> confidence was admirable.Three months passed,the pain subsided.Her walking >>> slowly came to the original shape - her foot drop resolved completely! All >>> these days,she and her loved ones offered prayers along with treatment.Now >>> she is not just walking,she dances,she runs,she workouts and what else? The >>> girl is now an MBBS,MD graduate from a reputed Govt.Medical College.People >>> may call this as a Medical Miracle but honestly speaking it was Krishna who >>> acted through the medicine. >>> >>> Ever since then,she tells this story wherever she go. She wants others >>> to know that Krishna is always there taking care of us. >>> >>> And that girl is me.Radhe Radhe. >>> >>> *Q2 When did aluminum become cheap?* >>> >>> A2 Sean Kernan, Writer at seanjkernan.substack.com6h >>> >>> 1886–and it’s kind of a fascinating story. >>> >>> Aluminum was once more expensive than gold. >>> >>> But then a chemistry professor told a classroom that if someone could >>> figure out how to make it cheap, they’d be rich in a heartbeat. One >>> student, Charles Hall, learned how to smelt aluminum from bauxite. He did >>> it using his moms pots and pans and everyday items. He was persistent and >>> brilliant. >>> >>> And sure enough, he came up with a crazy-cheap way of smelting aluminum >>> and the world was changed forever. His discovery led to the first >>> widespread use of a metal since iron was discovered. So it’s no small feat. >>> And yes, he made a ton of money from this process. >>> >>> *Q3 What are some famous English jokes?* >>> >>> A3 Jeff Kay,Modern Renaissance Man / Top Writer 2015/16/17/18 >>> 7y >>> >>> Irish archaeologists were excavating a certain location and found what >>> appeared to be ancient long copper wires. After a bit of discussion, it was >>> announced that the ancient Irish had created the first telephone >>> communication network. >>> >>> Scottish archaeologists, not to be outdone by the Irish, found what >>> appeared to be ancient long glass strands on one of their excavations. >>> After some discussion, it was announced they the ancient Scots must have >>> created the first fiber optic network. >>> >>> English archaeologists, in a fit of national pride, began digs all over >>> England, but after years of searching, found nothing like the Irish or >>> Scottish had. >>> >>> After some discussion, it was announced that the ancient English had >>> most certainly created the first wireless network. >>> >>> *Q4 When Shri Krishna returned after the war of Mahabharata, >>> Rukmani, was filled with anger and questioned him.Why?* >>> >>> A4 Chauhan Babu Nath,18h >>> >>> Everything else was fine in the war. But why did you support the killing >>> of pious people like “Dronacharya” and “Bhishma Pitamah”?? >>> >>> “Shri Krishna” replied. It is true that both of them followed religion >>> throughout their lives. But one "sin" committed by him destroyed all his >>> "virtues". >>> >>> What sins were those?? >>> >>> When "Draupadi" was being dissected in the crowd. Then both of them were >>> also present there. Being an elder, he could have stopped Dushasan. But he >>> did not do this. Due to this one sin of his, all his other religious >>> activities fell short. >>> >>> And "Karna" was famous for his charity. No one left his door empty >>> handed. Why did you help in his death? What was his mistake?? >>> >>> Hey darling! You are telling the truth. He was famous for his generosity >>> and never said no to anyone. But when Abhimanyu was lying on the ground >>> injured in the battlefield after defeating all the warriors. >>> >>> So he asked Karna for water. There was a pit of water near where Karna >>> was standing. But Karna did not give water to the dying Abhimanyu. >>> Therefore, the "virtue" he had earned through charity throughout his life >>> was destroyed. Later, the wheel of his chariot got stuck in the same pit >>> and he was killed. >>> >>> Hey Rukmani! often happens. When something wrong is happening around >>> humans and they do nothing. They think that they are not guilty of this >>> “sin”. >>> >>> If they are not in a position to help then they can tell the truth that >>> they cannot do anything. He is in no position to help. >>> >>> But they don't even do that. By not doing so, they also become equally >>> guilty of that "sin". The more one commits a “sin”. >>> >>> *Q5 What are some of the best "A priest, a pastor and a >>> rabbi…" jokes?* >>> >>> A5 Marc Clamage, Alter kakker extraordinaire!1y >>> >>> A priest, a pastor, and a rabbi are sitting around talking and it turns >>> out they all have the same problem: squirrels in the attic. The priest >>> says, “When we realized what the problem was we hired an exterminator who >>> sealed off the church and fumigated. Nevertheless, two weeks later the >>> squirrels were back.” >>> >>> The pastor says, “We had this issue too. We got humane traps, caught the >>> squirrels, and released them 20 miles away. 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