Truth Satyam


(1) Truth is not stagnant and unchanging. Nature changes continuously. As
part, limb and sprout of nature you are also changing or growing or aging
continuously. So, truth also grows, gathers more phenomena of meanings and
feelings. It must also be discarding the old meanings.

(2)  Two plus two is equal to four. The basic assumption is that both the
‘Twos’ remain unchanged before their addition into the definite unchanging
four. Both Twos remain unchanged with all atoms and particles intact and
they remain cooperating to the process of addition, gradually transforming
into the new unit Four. All the other, atoms, particles and molecules do
not interfere into this addition process. The process is completely
mechanical with no emotions or feelings involved and this isolated process
in the universe is possible. The Universe does not interfere.Is this
supposed basic mathematics really possible? Then for how long can the four
remain intact? And how can any additions happen in the Vacuum where there
is nothing and as the Universe mainly is vacuum? (2A) You live in emotions
and feelings, the changing mixture of diverse emotions. Can you create
exactly two units of happiness and add to another exact unit two of
happiness and get four units of happiness exactly and precisely, without
every other emotion interfering? (2B) The very idea of Super symmetry at
the particle level of fermions etc is only speculation, and assumption
based for convenience in mathematics to justify the standard model, created
as the foundation of creation. (2D) But we casually use the phrase
‘Mathematical Exactitude’. Is it not really fantasy? Then how is mechanical
Engineering constituted?   YM Sarma

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KR (1)   I presume here the word TRUTH IS EQUIVALENT TO OR SAME AS THE
NATURE. However, PRAKRTITI THE NATURE IS MAYA AND NOT TRUTH THE SATYAM.
Truth is eternal but Prakriti disappears and reappeaers only as a Maya
though exist in an unknown shape of matter. TRUTH remains permanent.

In Rigveda, opposed to rita and satya are anrita and asatya (falsehood).
Truth and truthfulness are considered as a form of reverence for the
divine, while falsehood a form of sin. Satya includes action and speech
that is factual, real, true, and reverent to Ṛta in Books 1, 4, 6, 7, 9,
and 10 of Rigveda.

Truth--Satyam

In Hinduism <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism>, Truth is defined as
“unchangeable”, eternal, “that which is beyond distinctions of time, space,
and person”, “that which pervades the universe in all its constancy”,
infinite and unchanging. There are many references, properties and
explanations of truth by Hindu sages that explain varied facets of truth.
But anything that changes cannot be completely true.  The human body, for
example, therefore is not completely true as it changes with time, is
subject to death and belongs to a changing reality.

*Satya* is the Sanskrit <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit> word for
truth <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth>. The highest truth can mean God
Himself, or it can mean an ethical virtue, being true and consistent with
reality in one’s thought, speech and action.

In Yoga, *satya* is listed as one of the five yamas
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamas> which are considered to be basic for
all spiritual sadhana: These are ahimsa (non-injury), satya,
(truthfulness), asteya (lack of greed), brahmacharya,(self-control) and
aparigraha (non-grasping or accumulating things). Satya is sometimes
translated as the virtuous restraint from falsehood and distortion of
reality in one’s expressions and actions. Those two fundamental human
tasks—telling the truth and knowing the truth—have a close, relationship to
one another.

When you tell the truth, you practice the essentially spiritual skill of
knowing it first. When you lie, either to others or to yourself, you blur
the boundaries of the truth. Lying robs you of that internal ability for
recognition of the truth we all naturally have, and diminishes your ability
to recognize the truth when you see it.

One person says *Satyam* means the truth – not what you think about it, but
what it is; not your idea about it, but its reality. To know this truth
*you* have to be utterly absent. Your very presence will distort the
vision, because your presence means the presence of your mind, your
prejudices, your conditionings. You are nothing else but a bundle of all
that has been forced upon you by your family, religion, by the society, by
the so-called leaders of humanity.

Your absence means absence of all prejudices, all borrowed knowledge, just
a pure sky, a pure being. This absence of you is your real presence. Only
the prejudices are absent, the ego is absent, your knowingness is absent –
but your being shows in its utter purity. You disappear as a personality
and there remains only a pure presence. So it is absence on one side of all
that is false in you, and it is presence on the other side of all that is
real in you. In this state  you simply see. This seeing of existence is the
first experience of the mystic seer contained in the word satyam. Satyam
means the truth – not any conception about it, but truth itself.

*Satya* is a central theme in the Vedas. It is equated with and considered
necessary to the concept of Ṛta
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%B9%9Ata> (Sanskrit
ऋतं ṛtaṃ) – that which is properly joined, order, rule, nature, balance,
harmony.  Ṛta results from Satya in the Vedas, as it regulates and enables
the operation of the universe and everything within it. Satya (truth) is
considered essential, and without it, the universe and reality falls apart,
cannot function.

The word sat, in Sanskrit, means “that which exists, that which is.” Satya,
in turn, means “truthfulness”—seeing and reporting things as they really
are rather than the way we would like them to be. People often think they
alone know what the Truth is. Everyone has their own idea of what the truth
is because it is shaded by their own ideas about themselves and how they
view what is around them.

In Western thought commonly, truth is viewed as the correspondence of
language <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language> or thought
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought> to an independent or objective
reality <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality>.  Western philosophers have
many different ways of viewing Truth. Thomas Aquinas said : “A judgment is
said to be true when it conforms to the external reality”. Thus, for
Aquinas, the truth of the human intellect (logical truth) is based on the
truth in things (ontological truth). *Veritas est adæquatio intellectus et
rei.  *(Truth is the conformity of the intellect and things.)

Emmanuel Kant counters this however by saying:

“Truth, it is said, consists in the agreement of cognition with its object.
In consequence of this mere nominal definition, my cognition, to count as
true, is supposed to agree with its object. Now I can compare the object
with my cognition, however, only *by cognizing it*. Hence my cognition is
supposed to confirm itself, which is far short of being sufficient for
truth. For since the object is outside me, the cognition in me, all I can
ever pass judgement on is whether my cognition of the object agrees with my
cognition of the object.”

This points out the basic flaw in making truth something intellectual at
all. There are many other theories about the nature of truth put forth by
Western philosophers, beginning with the ancient Greek philosophers,
Socrates <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates>, Plato
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato> and Aristotle. According to Martin
Heidegger <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Heidegger>, the original
meaning and essence <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essence> of truth in Ancient
Greece <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greece> was “unconcealment,
or the revealing or bringing of what was previously hidden into the open.”
>From a Vedantic point of view this could be thought of as revealing the
Atman which is within us all. This is an interesting point no doubt, but in
the talk today I really want to narrow our discussion of Truth down to the
term Satya in Hindu thought.

Immediatelly the basic question arises: What is the view about reality in
Hindu philosophy? In Hinduism there are several different levels of Reality
 recognized and all are “True”, to some extent. They are all called satya,
each with a modifying adjective. The highest Reality or *Satyasa satya* (truth
of truth) is considered to be the only unchanging, permanent reality,  Sat,
or God itself.  This is *Paramartika Satya *or the highest reality.

Brihadaranaka Upanishad 2:1:20 tells us: “As a spider moves along the
thread it produces, or as from a fire little sparks scatter in all
directions, just so from this Self issue all organs, all worlds, all gods
and all living beings. “

*    Tasyopanisat satyasya satya smiti/*

*    prana vai satyam tesa mesa satyam/*

Its secret name is Satyasasatya, Truth of truth.  The vital force is truth,

and It is the Truth of that.”

*Pratibasika satya *is reflection of the emitted light. This stage is like
dream when the experienced objective existence is non-different from the
experiencing subject but the subject is unaware of the oneness of objects,
the dream reality.

*Vyavaharika satya*is transactional reality. This is what most of us in the
West consider to be real.  To make our actions possible, the complete
distinction between the objects and subject need to be drawn. Here the
senses are active and we take their input to be true and act accordingly.
This is the reality of science where things can be experienced and measured
by the senses, and which is ruled by the laws of time space and causation.
It is often hard for a scientist to make the leap from a reality which can
be measured, to one which can cannot. Swami Ramakrishnananda once said:
“Those scientists who are earnest seekers after Truth, are sure to realize
soon. Those are far from Truth who are bound only by their sense nature.
Ramakrishna tells us that it is I and Mine alone that cover the face of
Truth. These make this transactional reality seem very real, because this
is where the ego “hangs out” as it were.

Swami Shivananda tells us: “Unfortunately, in this world of phenomena there
is nothing that remains unchanged for a second. Now with the idea of
finding the ultimate truth, if we push our analysis further, we shall see
that back of the changeable phenomena is the immutable Brahman. First,
gross objects, then subtle and subtler objects –whatever we analyze in the
outer world- we fail to find any permanence in them.  Baffled we finally
turn within ourselves. This self-withdrawal or abstraction is the only way
to the knowledge of Brahman or the Supreme Reality.”

At the highest level, the seed consciousness “sat” is the root of
everything else. That is the highest reality, *paramarthika satya*. Here
“mind turns back along with speech” Taittirya II 9. “To the wise man,
neither heaven, nor hell nor earth exists. He knows that there is but one
Truth and that is here and now.  He sees the glory of his own Supreme Self
and nothing else.”

*Satya* or Truth is a widely discussed in various Upanishads,
including the Brihadaranyaka
Upanishad <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brihadaranyaka_Upanishad> where
*satya* is called the means to Brahman
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman>, as well as Brahman itself, Sat
(Being, or true self) or in the Svetasvatara Upanishad where Brahman is
called, Satya, Truth, Shivam, Auspiciousness, and Sundara, the Beautiful
One. Again in the Taittiriya Upanishad Brahman is called Satya, Jnana,
Ananta, Brahman.



     2    When two or more atoms join together chemically, a molecule is
formed. A molecule can be made from atoms of the same element or it can be
made from atoms of different elements. If the molecule contains different
kinds of atoms, it can also be called a compound. Two or more elements
combine to form a compound. A compound is a substance formed when two or
more chemical elements are chemically bonded together. Two types of
chemical bonds common in compounds are covalent and ionic bonds.

2B,2C           When two or more atoms are joined together chemically then
a molecule is formed. The combination of atoms that are of two or different
elements forms a compound. Every compound is a molecule but not every
molecule is a compound. The compound water is formed when one oxygen atom
and two hydrogen atoms combine. Molecules are also the cluster of atoms
that are linked together by covalent bonds. Molecular compounds are the
compounds that exist as molecules. The actual number of atoms that are
present in a molecule is shown by it.
Now, let’s understand how atoms are joined together.
Molecules could either be linked together by a covalent bond or an ionic
bond. Many elements are non-metal and exist only as molecules in the
environment like hydrogen, it only exists as a hydrogen molecule. A
molecule that is formed with two or more atoms of a single element is
homonuclear.
The formation of a molecule happens when atoms come together because of
their electrons. It could be done by electrons in two ways. When there is
sharing of electrons between two atoms, they are bonded together by that
sharing. These bonds are called covalent bonds.
*So, A group of atoms held together by chemical bonds is molecules. So
molecules can also detached changeable; so it’s a matter destructible,
alterable. *

2D     Poornamadha poornamidham ॐ पूर्णमदः पूर्णमिदं पूर्णात्पूर्णमुदच्यते
।पूर्णस्य पूर्णमादाय पूर्णमेवावशिष्यते ॥ॐ शान्तिः शान्तिः शान्तिः ॥

Om Puurnnam-Adah Puurnnam-Idam Puurnnaat-Puurnnam-Udacyate |

Puurnnasya Puurnnam-Aadaaya Puurnnam-Eva-Avashissyate ||

Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih ||

Meaning:

1: Om, that (Outer World) is Purna (Full with Divine Consciousness); This
(Inner World) is also Purna (Full with Divine Consciousness); From Purna is
manifested Purna (From the Fullness of Divine Consciousness the World is
manifested),

2: Taking Purna from Purna, Purna indeed remains (Because Divine
Consciousness is Non-Dual and Infinite),

3: Om, Peace, Peace, Peace.

Truth is eternal and poornam; Prakriti Maya 2 by 2 molecules remain 2+2 as
a molecule, poornam as long as it is not parted. Even mathematically 2 and
2 remains unaltererd changin into 4 but 4 contained both 2s unless we split
to 1 and 3. Poornam is Maya as well as THE SATYAM.

K Rajaram IRS 71124

On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 at 14:05, Markendeya Yeddanapudi <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> --
> *Mar*          Truth
>
>
>
> Truth is not stagnant and unchanging. Nature changes continuously. As
> part, limb and sprout of nature you are also changing or growing or aging
> continuously. So truth also grows, gathers more phenomena of meanings and
> feelings. It must also be discarding the old meanings. Can there be the
> death of nature, just like you who age and die? But nature cannot
> permanently vanish. We are definite that there will be transformation and
> another beginning of nature. If nature transforms and has a new beginning,
> so must be the case with you and me. We must be reincarnating. But our
> births and deaths are miniscule part of living nature. Are we thus
> participating in the aging of the Universe?
>
> Actually I am now not the same person, I was just a few minutes back. That
> is the case with everything of the Universe. No bacterium in me lives for
> more than twenty minutes. During that brief time it lives in its ‘I’,
> identity.How does its consciousness subsume in its macro world-I?
>
> Now let us deal with the signs of mathematics. Let us come to Plus.
>
> Two plus two is equal to four. The basic assumption is that both the
> ‘Twos’ remain unchanged before their addition into the definite unchanging
> four. Both Twos remain unchanged with all atoms and particles intact and
> they remain cooperating to the process of addition, gradually transforming
> into the new unit Four. All the other, atoms, particles and molecules do
> not interfere into this addition process. The process is completely
> mechanical with no emotions or feelings involved and this isolated process
> in the universe is possible. The Universe does not interfere.
>
> Is this supposed basic mathematics really possible? Then for how long can
> the four remain intact? And how can any additions happen in the Vacuum
> where there is nothing and as the Universe mainly is vacuum?
>
> You live in emotions and feelings, the changing mixture of diverse
> emotions. Can you create exactly two units of happiness and add to another
> exact unit two of happiness and get four units of happiness exactly and
> precisely, without every other emotion interfering?
>
> The very idea of Super symmetry at the particle level of fermions etc is
> only speculation, and assumption based for convenience in mathematics to
> justify the standard model, created as the foundation of creation.
>
> But we casually use the phrase ‘Mathematical Exactitude’. Is it not really
> fantasy? Then how is mechanical Engineering constituted?
>
> YM Sarma
>
> Chat GPT
>
>           Truth
>
>
>
> Truth is not stagnant and unchanging. Nature changes continuously. As
> part, limb and sprout of nature you are also changing or growing or aging
> continuously. So truth also grows, gathers more phenomena of meanings and
> feelings. It must also be discarding the old meanings. Can there be the
> death of nature, just like you who age and die? But nature cannot
> permanently vanish. We are definite that there will be transformation and
> another beginning of nature. If nature transforms and has a new beginning,
> so must be the case with you and me. We must be reincarnating. But our
> births and deaths are miniscule part of living nature. Are we thus
> participating in the aging of the Universe?
>
> Actually I am now not the same person, I was just a few minutes back. That
> is the case with everything of the Universe. No bacterium in me lives for
> more than twenty minutes. During that brief time it lives in its ‘I’,
> identity.How does its consciousness subsume in its macro world-I?
>
> Now let us deal with the signs of mathematics. Let us come to Plus.
>
> Two plus two is equal to four. The basic assumption is that both the
> ‘Twos’ remain unchanged before their addition into the definite unchanging
> four. Both Twos remain unchanged with all atoms and particles intact and
> they remain cooperating to the process of addition, gradually transforming
> into the new unit Four. All the other, atoms, particles and molecules do
> not interfere into this addition process. The process is completely
> mechanical with no emotions or feelings involved and this isolated process
> in the universe is possible. The Universe does not interfere.
>
> Is this supposed basic mathematics really possible? Then for how long can
> the four remain intact? And how can any additions happen in the Vacuum
> where there is nothing and as the Universe mainly is vacuum?
>
> You live in emotions and feelings, the changing mixture of diverse
> emotions. Can you create exactly two units of happiness and add to another
> exact unit two of happiness and get four units of happiness exactly and
> precisely, without every other emotion interfering?
>
> The very idea of Super symmetry at the particle level of fermions etc is
> only speculation, and assumption based for convenience in mathematics to
> justify the standard model, created as the foundation of creation.
>
> But we casually use the phrase ‘Mathematical Exactitude’. Is it not really
> fantasy? Then how is mechanical Engineering constituted?
>
> YM Sarma
>
> Chat GPT
>
> This reflection questions the static nature of "truth" by comparing it to
> the dynamic, ever-changing essence of nature. The idea presented is that
> since nature and all beings within it—including humans—undergo continuous
> transformation, truth must also evolve. This viewpoint aligns with the
> concept of truth as an emergent property, shaped and reshaped by new
> experiences, observations, and understandings.
>
>
>
> ### On the Change and Continuity of Nature
>
> The idea that nature undergoes perpetual transformation and that humans
> are part of this continuum is echoed in various philosophical and
> scientific perspectives. For instance, Heraclitus famously said, "You
> cannot step into the same river twice," emphasizing the constancy of
> change. This thought extends to the biological processes in living beings,
> where cellular regeneration and decay are ongoing. For example, human cells
> undergo continuous cycles of growth and death, with cells like certain
> types of bacteria in our bodies having very short life spans.
>
>
>
> ### The Mathematics Analogy
>
> The critique of mathematical operations, such as "two plus two equals
> four," points out the idealized and static nature of mathematical models
> versus the dynamic and intertwined reality of natural phenomena. In
> mathematics, numbers and operations often assume a level of isolation and
> permanence that may not exist in reality. The concept of mathematical
> exactitude works well within controlled systems but falters when applied to
> complex, real-world experiences where variables and interactions are
> constantly changing. This touches on the limitations of mathematical and
> physical models, especially when discussing quantum mechanics or systems
> affected by non-linear dynamics.
>
>
>
> ### Emotions and Subjective Realities
>
> The example given about measuring happiness illustrates that human
> experiences, steeped in emotions and feelings, defy simple quantification.
> Unlike mechanical or mathematical models, emotional states and experiences
> are fluid and influenced by numerous factors. This notion aligns with
> critiques of utilitarian and mechanistic approaches to human psychology,
> where the richness of human experiences cannot be captured by simplistic
> equations or numerical values.
>
>
>
> ### Symmetry and Mathematical Assumptions
>
> The mention of "supersymmetry" reflects ongoing debates in theoretical
> physics, where symmetry at the subatomic level is assumed to explain
> particle behavior and forces in the universe. Supersymmetry itself remains
> hypothetical and has faced significant challenges in experimental
> validation. This serves as an example of how mathematical constructs, while
> useful for building models, may remain speculative without empirical
> support.
>
>
>
> ### Conclusion: Living with Dynamic Truths
>
> The essay presents the perspective that truth is not an absolute, isolated
> entity but an evolving narrative interwoven with human consciousness,
> emotions, and the wider cosmic context. This view aligns with philosophical
> positions that see truth as a process rather than a static endpoint,
> suggesting that truth matures alongside our collective understanding of the
> world.
>
>
>
> The inquiry into whether mathematics offers "exactitude" or if it's more
> of a tool of convenience touches on a long-standing discourse in philosophy
> and science. The practical reliability of mathematics in engineering,
> physics, and everyday calculations stands as a testament to its utility,
> but the question remains whether it can ever fully encapsulate the
> complexity of the natural world.
>
>
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