In my opinion - and I'm repeating myself here - people give up because of the 
unfriendly command line environment. A windows-type interface with radio 
buttons and drop down menus would be much easier to use and remember. Please 
can the programmers work at this aspect instead of tweaking the underlying 
code? I don't think that yet another tutorial will help the majority of 
potential users.

On 6 Sep 2015 07:18, Graham Mullan <graham.mullan at coly.org.uk> wrote:
>
> Nick Bairstow wrote: 
>
> "I have been giving some thought to producing a tutorial to follow on from 
> Footlegs wiki item. Unfortunately it's not a simple as I first thought. Over 
> the next few months I will attempt to come up with something that will 
> enable a novice therioneer understand the next steps following the Footleg 
> wiki article. It would be nice to continue using Bull Pot as the sample cave 
> but I have not got time to re-survey that so I propose we use an existing 
> data set which could become the default novice reference. 
> It seems many people give up with Therion as it is difficult to learn but 
> with a good tutorial and a little help many more could be using it. 
> What do people think, am I wasting my time, comments please. 
> Oh and if someone else is already doing something similar please shout up. 
> No point doing it twice." 
>
> I use Footleg's tutorial a lot. If you are not using a program every day, 
> then having a handy known reference point for the details is always a good 
> thing. It doesn't cover every single aspect, so if Nick wants to add further 
> material, I for one would be delighted. Please do it, Nick. 
>
> The other main trick for learning in this way is "How did we do this last 
> time?" or looking back at a previous data set, your own or someone else's, 
> and seeing how it works. If there was a reference data set available (if not 
> on the Therion wiki but on the cave-registry page, perhaps) then the 
> tutorial could certainly link to that. Of course 'live' data can change over 
> time, so having a fixed example set might be better. Bear in mind that data 
> for a single cave is insufficient to cover all problems. We routinely 
> combine data from different caves, because they are close together or, as 
> has been done several times, to produce a context overview to show a cave in 
> relation to its neighbours and the land surface. See, for example, the thing 
> below the caption in the latest version of the Gough's Cave survey 
> http://www.ubss.org.uk/resources/surveys/survex/Goughs_all.pdf  . Does 
> anyone have a good multi-cave dataset that is now stable and so can be used 
> for this purpose? 
>
> It is also worth remembering, of course, that different people do some 
> things differently, an example data set might enshrine work habits that are 
> not the same as mine or yours. 
>
> Graham
>
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