Tony,

The idea is that this encapsulation is used in scenarios where the MPLS
cloud is PTP-aware. MPLS LSRs act as boundary (or transparent) clocks and
ensure that time delivery is will not be affected by queuing and forwarding
delays.

I think the question in these scenarios should be the other way round: why
should PTP messages sent between two PTP aware LSRs be encapsulated in
Ethernet and/or IP? Beyond bandwidth efficiency, addition of superfluous
layers adds complications and implementation assumptions. I think it is
similar to the reason why OAM messages between two LSRs are not encapsulated
in Ethernet/IP.

Does this make sense?

Best,
Ron



On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Tony Li <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Thanks Ron.
>
> Please pardon my ignorance, but what's the benefit of this over doing an
> EthernetPW?
>
> Tony
>
>
> On Jul 9, 2010, at 10:27 PM, Ron Cohen wrote:
>
> > Hi Tony,
> >
> > PTP is designed to be extended over multiple transports. Some transports
> are included in IEEE1588-2008 Annex-s, while the idea was that others (such
> as MPLS) will be developed by the expert standardization bodies.
> >
> > I wrote a proposal a while ago for direct PTP over MPLS mapping. It is
> still available here http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ronc-ptp-mpls-00 .
> At least part of it still makes sense.
> >
> > Best,
> > Ron
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Tony Li <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > And, how can the encapsulation be anything other than EthernetPW?
> >
> > Tony
> >
> >
> > On Jul 9, 2010, at 12:38 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Yaakov,
> > >
> > > when you say encapsulation what is the intention e.g. at the interface?
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: [email protected] [[email protected]] On Behalf Of
> Yaakov Stein [[email protected]]
> > > Sent: 09 July 2010 05:06
> > > To: [email protected]; [email protected];
> [email protected]
> > > Subject: Re: [TICTOC] FW: 1588 over MPLS draft
> > >
> > > Sebastien
> > >
> > > Yes, developing an MPLS encapsulation for 1588 is high on TICTOC's list
> of things to accomplish.
> > >
> > > Y(J)S
> > >
> > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf Of [email protected]
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 18:37
> > > To: [email protected]; [email protected]
> > > Subject: Re: [TICTOC] FW: 1588 over MPLS draft
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > After reading this interesting draft, I would have some questions for
> clarification (sorry, I will not attend to the Maastricht meeting).
> > >
> > > My first general question is related to the objective of TICTOC
> regarding this topic: is it planned that TICTOC would develop a specific
> mechanism for transporting PTP over MPLS as the one proposed in this
> document? If so, is it oriented to telecoms applications, or to other types
> of applications?
> > >
> > > My second question would be to better understand why there is a need
> for transporting PTP over MPLS. It is still unclear to me. FYI, similar
> discussions happened in June in ITU-T Q13/15 during the last Geneva meeting.
> > >
> > > My understanding of the context of this draft is that the network
> between a PTP master and a PTP slave experiences full timing support for
> PTP, such as TC in every node (or possibly BC, that is also slightly evoked
> in the document?). In this context, it can be questioned if the PTP timing
> delivery is really done "end-to-end", since every node has to process the
> PTP messages. Therefore, is it really appropriate in this case to put the
> PTP messages into a tunneling transport, such as MPLS?
> > >
> > > It looks more logical to me in this situation to transport the PTP
> timing flows outside MPLS (e.g. simply over UDP/IP) on a hop-by-hop basis
> (e.g. each node delivers its timing to the next one).
> > > But maybe I misunderstood or missed something...
> > >
> > > Any thoughts?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > BR,
> > >
> > > Sébastien
> > > ________________________________
> > > De : [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] De la
> part de Shahram Davari
> > > Envoyé : mercredi 7 juillet 2010 21:36
> > > À : [email protected]
> > > Objet : [TICTOC] FW: 1588 over MPLS draft
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Shahram Davari
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 12:12 PM
> > > To: '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '
> [email protected]'
> > > Subject: 1588 over MPLS draft
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Please find attached our first draft of 1588 over MPLS. Since we have
> some technical issues converting the Word format to Txt we couldn’t  upload
> the draft before the cut-off date. However we will present the draft in the
> next IETF meeting and will upload the draft after the meeting.
> > >
> > > Note that the main WG is TicToc but may require consultation with MPLS
> and PWE3 WGs.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Shahram Davari
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