Ciao Arlen I think part of the issue is not the tools you and Jed developed. It may be the "wrapper", the "marketing" as well? So much here we are concerned with fundamentals. But the GG group goes nowhere other than the readers. I think that "promotion" for TW matters & is seriously under-achieving.
The result is that neither you nor Jed get volume feedback (as fr as I can see). At a certain point development & feedback interact importantly. Do you feel you have enough feedback? I agree with your "money" points. IMO a solution COULD be charged for, especially on MOBILE, where it is established practice. It Is the issue of getting volume (mini charge at volume) v. donations (better gifts, low volume). Best wishes TT On Saturday, 23 November 2019 14:50:37 UTC+1, Arlen Beiler wrote: > > I think the bob saver can be expanded to use a browser plugin. This can > address some of the security concerns with having a freely available saver > listening on the network. And it’s also simply installable as you say. I > must have heard enough complaints about corporate networks that I thought > those environments have all the trouble, but maybe I was wrong. I guess > putting a simple working solution in place first and then improving it > would get us a long way. > > On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 08:16 TiddlyTweeter <tiddly...@assays.tv > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> Ciao Stefan >> >> *Great post. To the point.* >> >> Fully agree that the POINT in all this should be to enable users to do TW >> with the same level of simplicity they have for other apps. >> Basically, nowadays standard, it comes down to one approach for mobiles >> and one approach for desktops. >> >> IMO we have, actually, MINOR, issues between now and full cross-platform >> unity of approach. *So close. Yet so far off.* >> >> One thing, largely OVERLOOKED in this thread, with its (necessary) focus >> on mechanisms, is that end-users are primarily interested in CONTENT. >> They don't care HOW they get it, just so long it's simple enough. I wish >> "Desire for Content Delivery" would matter more here as it is a vital piece >> of understanding the issue ... >> >> I really believe that normal end user working practice is central to this >> discussion. The issue is, I think, just this ... >> >> - ... a person who wants to get something done, using conventional, >> recognisable, common, methods. >> >> My 2 cents. >> >> Best wishes >> TT >> >> >> *(Footnote: Unfortunately TiddlyDesktop is not properly portable yet [it >> currently uses absolute addressing to wikis] so its not yet ideal.)* >> Stefan Pfister wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> # The Goal and big question: >>> >>> * a simple way for naive and casual users to save their tiddlywiki >>> (again and again)* >>> >>> >>> I read this thread with much interest. In my opinium there is still one >>> big aspect, which should be mainly considered. As a casual and >>> non-technical user of tiddlywiki and as a teacher, who wants to show the >>> students at school something with tiddlywiki I want to say: >>> >>> The easiest way to use a tiddlywiki is to double-click on a file with a >>> tiddlywiki in it. I doesn't matter which ending this file has. If it is >>> "html", "tw" or something different. If the user can simply click on it and >>> it opens in a way which makes it possible to use it without struggling with >>> the saving mechanism. >>> >>> This works with the so called hta-hack under Windows really well. Simply >>> changing the ending of the tw-file to "hta" and you have a simple working >>> one-file-tiddlywiki with saving mechanism. This is really usable. For me as >>> the user the inner mechanism is not my point of interest. I can simply us >>> this in class but only with windows devices. Something more universal and >>> platform independent would be great. >>> >>> A single TW-file with a working saving mechanism in it which opens per >>> doubleclick in a browser or even in a separate portable program like >>> TW-desktop (something which organises the saving) would be a great progress >>> in usability for the non technical and casual user of tiddlywiki. This is >>> the normal behavior of programs and files. The most simple users know this. >>> This is an easy workflow. I use this kind of workflow every day. I simply >>> don't want to install or configure something special in order to be able to >>> save my work. But it is in most cases not much of a problem to install a >>> app or a program in order to use it. I know there are restricted >>> environments but for the normal user: The normal way to use a programm is >>> to install something a *.exe or under linux a *.deb and simply use it. >>> >>> Just my two cents. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Stefan >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TiddlyWiki" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tiddl...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/dabe0b3f-9095-45d0-86c5-65fd29a1441c%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/dabe0b3f-9095-45d0-86c5-65fd29a1441c%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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