Speaking of either-or logic, perhaps we are all doing that. Maybe there would be a way to have it both ways: create a shell application with a different, more approachable name, but that says "powered by TiddlyWiki" and it gets updated automatically when TiddlyWiki gets updated.
So if you go to tiddlywiki.com, you get the name TiddlyWiki. but if you go to "Snafoobar.com" or "Snafoobar.tiddlywiki.com", you also get a TiddlyWiki, updated when TW on GitHub is updated, but it is called Snafoobar. Maybe not a great analogy but TiddlyWiki would be like the MS-DOS for the new app. I mean, we already have editions of TiddlyWiki that are updated when TW gets updated, right? Why not a covert edition with another name? Or am I missing something? On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 2:56:53 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 10:33:56 AM UTC-8, Eric Shulman wrote: >> >> >> According to the June 2019 stats from >> https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/top-100-websites-ranking.html, >> >> DuckDuckGo has been "experiencing brisk growth in recent years"... and >> shows a 10-fold increase from 3M daily searches in 2014 to 30M daily >> searches in 2019.... and, "DuckDuckGo" sounds like a reference to a child's >> game, "Duck Duck Goose" >> >> > Ok! How many people here today useds DDG, and how many people used Google? > > Also, DDG *ADVERTISES* -- I get their stuff in my FF startup page 2 or 3 > times a week. > > > >> Yahoo is in decline, has financial problems and just ended their groups. >>> >> >> As of June 2019, Yahoo is the 7th most visited site on the list, just >> behind Twitter (6th), and ahead of PornHub (ewww!) and Instagram (9th). >> While they are no longer the *top* search engine of choice, they are still >> quite relevant and have a persistence over the long haul that speaks to >> their *actual* stability, despite any perceptions to the contrary. >> >> > > I have a very different view, since I just spent $$$ to move a group away > from Yahoo with virtually no warning given. Yahoo is in steady decline. > Once again, Yahoo got where they are by advertising. Also, their name is > NOT a diminutive. > > > >> "Google" was a reference to a mathematical concept, so already had an >>> "in" in the nerd crowd. >>> >> >> "Google" is a sound a baby makes. "Googol" is the math term. For actual >> math nerds, this is a non-trivial distinction. >> > > It's a pun. Even a mathematical pun. That makes it cool even among math > nerds. And they advertised. > > >> *micro*soft is a diminutive name, and they have done quite well. > > > Perhaps I need a better word. Let's go with "infantile". A little stronger > than I would like, but it seems like otherwise it gets overridden by all > those names that are merely diminutive. > > People don't want to be thought of as childish. They would rather be > thought of as rude, lewd, nasty or even dumb ... before wanting to be > thought childish. > > > >> TW has no advertising budget, so word-of-mouth is the only way it will >>> spread. >>> But people don't feel comfortable saying "Tiddly Wiki" out loud in >>> meetings in front of adults. >>> >> >> Why do you feel that is so? Adults in meetings... REAL adults... don't >> make business decisions based on "feelings" about the name of a product. >> > > Yes they do. Every day. That's why advertising companies make the big yen. > > >> The shear number of sites and products with "techno-babble" names demands >> that people making decisions will tend to look for the *functionality* that >> suits their purposes, regardless of the name of the product. >> >> > A lot of people won't get that far. They'll do a mental shortcut: "Sounds > childish. Skip" > > I think that age has a great deal to do with how much sway a name has >> among "netizens". > > > The younger crowd (teens and 20-somethings) are very fickle and prone to >> the short-term social influence of their contemporaries. If you choose a >> name that appeals to the younger crowd, you might get a quick boost in >> popularity, but you are just as likely to find yourself "left in the lurch" >> when the trend of the moment moves on to the next big thing. >> > > Like it or not, youth are the future, and always have been. > > On the other hand, older "netizens" (especially those who run businesses) >> tend towards more in-depth considerations. >> > > Increasingly a minority. They're even more likely to be turned off by a > product that both has an infantile name and poses a substantial learning > curve. I see this as someone who is in the demographic. > > Please note that I am not averse to *considering* other names for >> TiddlyWiki. It's just that I don't think a name change will have any >> significant *positive* effect on how well TiddlyWiki is accepted, and there >> are more important issues (e.g., file saving, hosting, security, etc.) >> > > This is an either/or logic ploy. In reality, we don't have to pick one > action over the other. Both are possible. > > In any event, I don't see file saving changing unless something > fundamental changes about TW. > > Conversely, changing the name can have a major *negative* effect, >> discarding the accumulated good-will and confidence that has been building >> for many years, >> > > Wait! You just said reasonable people aren't swayed by names. Now you're > saying that they will *leave* TW because of a name change??? Which is it? > > Oh well. I actually like the small world of TW. It would be a shame to > have the forum flooded with 6 to 8 times the correspondence. To have > friends or acquaintances ringing up in the night for TW advice. To have to > keep up with the podcasts or media reports about TW all the time. To have > to remember all the new plugins that will be generated or the new uses that > will be created. Better to keep it the way it is ... > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/bc1ee3b8-5856-4506-a385-9172b8d803ce%40googlegroups.com.
