Ton, On Wednesday, November 28, 2012 5:44:13 PM UTC+8, TonG wrote: > > Hi Vincent, > > Keyboard navigation is a very valuable addition when in Edit mode. > Very nice; it speeds up editing so much. >
> I noticed it is sometimes difficult to enter Edit mode for the first > time. You enable Edit mode via de 'C' button, but a click at a cell > does not 'open' the cell. After opening the tiddler once (edit, > cancel) it works as expected and stays working. > In practice it means you try to edit a cell and click a few times the > cell, since you think the first click was not recognized. The tiddler > opens in Edit mode (double click effect) and you click cancel and > start edting the table. > > I have no idea about this, but will keep it in mind. > For the first time I tried TWtcalc in a TW with many tables and > noticed that some of my tables missed "text". A cell containing > "1,2" (meant as text) showes as ",". So I tried putting an > "'" (apostrophe) in front, but that did not help. That turned out to be a bug in TWtcalc. I will fix it in the next release. Thanks a lot for the info. > > This brings up a few questions: > 1) Is there an option to set numbers as text, like the apostrophe in > Excel/OpenOffice? > 2) Is it possible to switch of the calculation in tables (other than > removing the systemConfig tag of TWtcalc and reloading)? > 3) Is it wise to add "something" to the table when calculations must > be performed? Like "editable" for tables that can be edited, plus an > option to force all tables to be "editable". > You can imagine people don't like to inspect and edit all their tables > (to force cells containing number combinations to be text), just for > one table with calculations in it. > That's a good point. Will think about it. Have fun! Vincent > > Cheers, > > Ton > > On Nov 28, 6:05 am, Vincent Yeh <qmo.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Yakov, > > > > It was a lucky evening that I was quick (usually not) to figure a way > for > > simple keyboard navigation and fixed the bug of *partial self inclusion* > (well, > > let's put it this way for the moment) as you brought up in the last > post. > > It seems to work for me but I'd like you to try it before next release. > A > > simple test file is available athttps:// > dl.dropbox.com/u/23745840/pre_release.html, in which you can find > > two tiddlers to play with. The one with title "test" is showing that > *partial > > self inclusion* is working, while the other with a longer title is for > > keyboard navigation testing (*use only the four arrow keys*). Please try > > and give me comments/suggestions. Thanks. > > > > Have Fun! > > Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, November 27, 2012 1:18:20 PM UTC+8, Vincent Yeh wrote: > > > > > Yakov, > > > > > On Tuesday, November 27, 2012 5:27:33 AM UTC+8, Yakov wrote: > > > > >> Hello Vincent, > > > > >> glad the work is going on. > > > > >> The bug you mentioned is present in Android 2.3.6 as well and is not > > >> present in Android 4.0.3. I suspect that the problem is inside some > > >> html/javascript rendering engines in Android core which are used by > > >> AndTidWiki. Unfortunately, Michael (the author of ATW) is rather busy > and > > >> haven't done any improvements of ATW I suggested, so it's not likely > that > > >> he'll investigate this issue (which seems rather deep and > complicated). > > >> Anyway, things look much better now, but unfortunately, I'll move to > > >> TWted+TWtable on Android some time later because I need to switch > core > > >> versions in TWs to 2.6.6 and do some other things first. > > > > >> So I should upgrade to Android 4.0.3, if my poor device can do > that... > > > > > As for sliders, in my tests the E button doesn't work for tables > within > > >> sliders; on the other hand, CSS is now tidy and clean which is very > nice. > > > > > It works fine in quite a few browser/OS combos that I tested: > > > > > - Chrome in Ubuntu 12.04 64, Win7 64, WinXP 32 > > > - FF in Ubuntu 12.04 64, Win7 64, WinXP 32 > > > - Opera in Ubuntu 12.04 64, Win7 64, WinXP 32 > > > - IE9 in Win7 64 > > > - IE8 in WinXP 32 > > > - Safari in Win7 64 > > > > > Which browser or operating system are you using? > > > > >> I still have couple of bugs which changed behavior, one in a complex > > >> context, but another is with the "test" tiddler I mentioned before: > > > > >> !!!!Section > > >> !!!!!!end > > > > >> |let's move the colomns|c > > >> |h-cell1|h-cell2|h-cell3|h-cell4|h > > >> |c13|c11|c12|c14| > > >> |c34|c21|c22|c24| > > >> <<tiddler [[test##Section]]>> > > > > >> Now it has this behavior: clicking E seemingly induces the edit mode > (a > > >> row and a colomn with numbers appear), but clicking on a cell doesn't > open > > >> the editing field. > > > > >> This tiddler is interesting in that it includes its beginning at its > end, > > > which is unusual as far as I know. Certainly I will try to see if I > can fix > > > it, but just for my curiosity, could you tell me why you would do > that? > > > > >> My experiments are detained (may be I'll start this week) but what > I've > > >> already noticed about the workflow is the lack of navigation by > keyboard. > > >> Namely, it would be very helpful to be able to push "down" when > editing a > > >> cell to go to another cell [the one below], or may be something like > > >> "alt+down" (which is more helpful with "left" and "right" which are > used > > >> heavily to navigate within a cell. > > > > > Keyboard navigation is the thing I am working on, but would take a > while > > > to release. For now the easiest navigation is to enable the Cat mode > > > (option chkTWtedCatTheMouse, Activate/Deactivate edit mode with mouse > > > motion.) and level it up (option chkTWtedNoClick, Edit the cell > content > > > without clicking it.). But it can be annoying in some cases. > > > > >> Could you write a bit about how the plugin works? I can see that the > > >> mechanic is quite useful, as editing other tiddler parts in the same > manner > > >> would be. Especially lists: I have many tiddlers with huge lists > (list > > >> trees) and if, say, there was two buttons in the end of each list > item (E > > >> button to edit one item and some menu button for operations like > moving up > > >> and down or adding an item), this would ease editing considerably > > >> (especially on a mobile device). But the code of TWtable and TWted is > > >> really large, so I wouldn't even try to dive by myself unless I > finish > > >> SharedTiddlersPlugin ([1],[2]). And in fact although TWtable and > TWted is > > >> not WYSIWYG engine which works with TW markup, that's the closest > thing I > > >> know. > > > > >> I do not have an overall documentation for the plugins, but a few > pieces > > > of information inhttp://twtable.tiddlyspace.com. You can look for > > > tiddlers tagged with Doc to see if some of them answers your question. > Or > > > you can send me a specific question such as "How to find a list in the > > > original wiki text?", and I'll try to answer. Currently I do not have > time > > > and intention to work on a detailed documentation. > > > > > To edit a list is actually the next thing after keyboard navigation on > my > > > ToDo list, which I just started thinking a couple of weeks ago. I > don't > > > have a clear solution yet, so if you have ideas I'll be very happy to > know > > > about. > > > > > Have fun! > > > Vincent > > > > >> Best regards, > > >> Yakov. > > > > >> [1] > > >>https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywikidev/browse_thread/thread/cc... > > > >> [2]http://yakovl.bplaced.net/TW/STP/STP.html(though, you said that > you > > >> failed to open yakovl.bplaced.net, still have no idea why) > > > > >> понедельник, 26 ноября 2012 г., 18:04:53 UTC+4 пользователь Vincent > Yeh > > >> написал: > > > > >>> Yakov, > > > > >>> I just tried with AndTidWiki again over the weekend and got one > > >>> issue: it looked normal at the beginning (see attachment > > >>> non-edit-mode-andtidwiki.jpg, taken from AndTidWiki 0.9.9 running on > > >>> Android 2.3.4), but once got into the edit mode the first row cells > are > > >>> shifted by one column (edit-mode-andtidwiki.jpg). This doesn't seem > to > > >>> happen in other browser/OS combinations, so I am guessing it's more > likely > > >>> AndTidWiki's issue. However, I'd like to double check with you > before > > >>> sending a report to AndTidWiki. Did you see something like that with > your > > >>> Android device? > > > > >>> Except for this everything seems to be fine: editing is fine, saving > > >>> changes is good, calculations are correct. I think it'll work on > Android as > > >>> well. > > > > >>> Vincent > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/-/mSx6joZssSQJ. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
