Hi Vincent, Keyboard navigation is a very valuable addition when in Edit mode. Very nice; it speeds up editing so much.
I noticed it is sometimes difficult to enter Edit mode for the first time. You enable Edit mode via de 'C' button, but a click at a cell does not 'open' the cell. After opening the tiddler once (edit, cancel) it works as expected and stays working. In practice it means you try to edit a cell and click a few times the cell, since you think the first click was not recognized. The tiddler opens in Edit mode (double click effect) and you click cancel and start edting the table. For the first time I tried TWtcalc in a TW with many tables and noticed that some of my tables missed "text". A cell containing "1,2" (meant as text) showes as ",". So I tried putting an "'" (apostrophe) in front, but that did not help. This brings up a few questions: 1) Is there an option to set numbers as text, like the apostrophe in Excel/OpenOffice? 2) Is it possible to switch of the calculation in tables (other than removing the systemConfig tag of TWtcalc and reloading)? 3) Is it wise to add "something" to the table when calculations must be performed? Like "editable" for tables that can be edited, plus an option to force all tables to be "editable". You can imagine people don't like to inspect and edit all their tables (to force cells containing number combinations to be text), just for one table with calculations in it. Cheers, Ton On Nov 28, 6:05 am, Vincent Yeh <qmo.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yakov, > > It was a lucky evening that I was quick (usually not) to figure a way for > simple keyboard navigation and fixed the bug of *partial self inclusion* > (well, > let's put it this way for the moment) as you brought up in the last post. > It seems to work for me but I'd like you to try it before next release. A > simple test file is available > athttps://dl.dropbox.com/u/23745840/pre_release.html, in which you can find > two tiddlers to play with. The one with title "test" is showing that *partial > self inclusion* is working, while the other with a longer title is for > keyboard navigation testing (*use only the four arrow keys*). Please try > and give me comments/suggestions. Thanks. > > Have Fun! > Vincent > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, November 27, 2012 1:18:20 PM UTC+8, Vincent Yeh wrote: > > > Yakov, > > > On Tuesday, November 27, 2012 5:27:33 AM UTC+8, Yakov wrote: > > >> Hello Vincent, > > >> glad the work is going on. > > >> The bug you mentioned is present in Android 2.3.6 as well and is not > >> present in Android 4.0.3. I suspect that the problem is inside some > >> html/javascript rendering engines in Android core which are used by > >> AndTidWiki. Unfortunately, Michael (the author of ATW) is rather busy and > >> haven't done any improvements of ATW I suggested, so it's not likely that > >> he'll investigate this issue (which seems rather deep and complicated). > >> Anyway, things look much better now, but unfortunately, I'll move to > >> TWted+TWtable on Android some time later because I need to switch core > >> versions in TWs to 2.6.6 and do some other things first. > > >> So I should upgrade to Android 4.0.3, if my poor device can do that... > > > As for sliders, in my tests the E button doesn't work for tables within > >> sliders; on the other hand, CSS is now tidy and clean which is very nice. > > > It works fine in quite a few browser/OS combos that I tested: > > > - Chrome in Ubuntu 12.04 64, Win7 64, WinXP 32 > > - FF in Ubuntu 12.04 64, Win7 64, WinXP 32 > > - Opera in Ubuntu 12.04 64, Win7 64, WinXP 32 > > - IE9 in Win7 64 > > - IE8 in WinXP 32 > > - Safari in Win7 64 > > > Which browser or operating system are you using? > > >> I still have couple of bugs which changed behavior, one in a complex > >> context, but another is with the "test" tiddler I mentioned before: > > >> !!!!Section > >> !!!!!!end > > >> |let's move the colomns|c > >> |h-cell1|h-cell2|h-cell3|h-cell4|h > >> |c13|c11|c12|c14| > >> |c34|c21|c22|c24| > >> <<tiddler [[test##Section]]>> > > >> Now it has this behavior: clicking E seemingly induces the edit mode (a > >> row and a colomn with numbers appear), but clicking on a cell doesn't open > >> the editing field. > > >> This tiddler is interesting in that it includes its beginning at its end, > > which is unusual as far as I know. Certainly I will try to see if I can fix > > it, but just for my curiosity, could you tell me why you would do that? > > >> My experiments are detained (may be I'll start this week) but what I've > >> already noticed about the workflow is the lack of navigation by keyboard. > >> Namely, it would be very helpful to be able to push "down" when editing a > >> cell to go to another cell [the one below], or may be something like > >> "alt+down" (which is more helpful with "left" and "right" which are used > >> heavily to navigate within a cell. > > > Keyboard navigation is the thing I am working on, but would take a while > > to release. For now the easiest navigation is to enable the Cat mode > > (option chkTWtedCatTheMouse, Activate/Deactivate edit mode with mouse > > motion.) and level it up (option chkTWtedNoClick, Edit the cell content > > without clicking it.). But it can be annoying in some cases. > > >> Could you write a bit about how the plugin works? I can see that the > >> mechanic is quite useful, as editing other tiddler parts in the same manner > >> would be. Especially lists: I have many tiddlers with huge lists (list > >> trees) and if, say, there was two buttons in the end of each list item (E > >> button to edit one item and some menu button for operations like moving up > >> and down or adding an item), this would ease editing considerably > >> (especially on a mobile device). But the code of TWtable and TWted is > >> really large, so I wouldn't even try to dive by myself unless I finish > >> SharedTiddlersPlugin ([1],[2]). And in fact although TWtable and TWted is > >> not WYSIWYG engine which works with TW markup, that's the closest thing I > >> know. > > >> I do not have an overall documentation for the plugins, but a few pieces > > of information inhttp://twtable.tiddlyspace.com. You can look for > > tiddlers tagged with Doc to see if some of them answers your question. Or > > you can send me a specific question such as "How to find a list in the > > original wiki text?", and I'll try to answer. Currently I do not have time > > and intention to work on a detailed documentation. > > > To edit a list is actually the next thing after keyboard navigation on my > > ToDo list, which I just started thinking a couple of weeks ago. I don't > > have a clear solution yet, so if you have ideas I'll be very happy to know > > about. > > > Have fun! > > Vincent > > >> Best regards, > >> Yakov. > > >> [1] > >>https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywikidev/browse_thread/thread/cc... > >> [2]http://yakovl.bplaced.net/TW/STP/STP.html(though, you said that you > >> failed to open yakovl.bplaced.net, still have no idea why) > > >> понедельник, 26 ноября 2012 г., 18:04:53 UTC+4 пользователь Vincent Yeh > >> написал: > > >>> Yakov, > > >>> I just tried with AndTidWiki again over the weekend and got one > >>> issue: it looked normal at the beginning (see attachment > >>> non-edit-mode-andtidwiki.jpg, taken from AndTidWiki 0.9.9 running on > >>> Android 2.3.4), but once got into the edit mode the first row cells are > >>> shifted by one column (edit-mode-andtidwiki.jpg). This doesn't seem to > >>> happen in other browser/OS combinations, so I am guessing it's more likely > >>> AndTidWiki's issue. However, I'd like to double check with you before > >>> sending a report to AndTidWiki. Did you see something like that with your > >>> Android device? > > >>> Except for this everything seems to be fine: editing is fine, saving > >>> changes is good, calculations are correct. I think it'll work on Android > >>> as > >>> well. > > >>> Vincent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
