Hi Elizabeth, I'm nothing to do with TiddlyWiki development or anything, so I certainly don't speak in any official capacity - I am just a keen user - but I understand your frustration. I felt a little overwhelmed too when I came back to TiddlyWiki to find the new version in it's current state but I then realised that it might not be appropriate to compare the two.
The new version of TiddlyWiki isn't finished yet, for one thing, and new functionality is being added every week. The next update - 5.0.14 - will improve lots of things, such as the import mechanism and it seems there will be several more updates before it is actually released. Also what makes the old version really useful is the ecosystem of features and documentation built by the community. This will need time to regenerate around the new version. There are also lots of inherently great things about the new version, such as dragging-and-dropping content from other windows and the desktop and the ability to store pictures as "first class citizens". The node.js and Tiddlydesktop versions also make it feasible to scale a TW project to become very big, as well as adding other interesting functionality. The old version of TiddlyWiki still exists and the community has expressed every intention of maintaining it for the foreseeable future so it's totally feasible to use that version for now and move across the TW5 later if/when it suits you (http://classic.tiddlywiki.com/). I don't know why your browsers 'hate' the old document but the latest version (2.8.1) works fine for me. I think that the eventual plan for TiddlyWiki 5 is to offer it in a number of different versions, each of which is tailored to a different use case. Documentation is also an often-discussed topic within the community and there is consensus that it needs to be radically improved. I'm sure that any further feedback you could offer about exactly what you were trying to achieve would assist in this respect - it will help us to write better introductory guides. Did you see this guide, put together by Dave Gifford? (http://giffmex.org/TiddlyQuickly.html) Regards, Richard On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 11:33:57 AM UTC+10, Elizabeth Blythe wrote: > > I just want to say thank you for all of the help. > > I also want to express that, while I honor the work that went into this - > gosh, thank you for creating a project flexible, for free, for anyone > walking along with an internet connection - I'm disappointed with some of > the design choices in TW5. > > The thing I loved about TiddlyWiki to start off with was that it was in > plain English, you didn't need to know how the wiki worked to tailor pretty > much every aspect of it, you needed very little information about its > structure (there were enough crumbs within the wiki itself to figure out or > find anything you didn't know) within past TiddlyWikis that they had a lot > of utility for non-tech people. I've been chipping away at TW5 for about > four days now and have barely figured out how tags work. The documentation > I'm reading doesn't really seem to help me figure out what I want to know, > the TiddlyWiki itself reads like Greek, and I'm seriously worried that I > will be unable to use TW5 for the project I had in mind. > > TW5 seems to have moved away from being a layman's highly configurable and > transportable notebook - now, I need to find and use special characters, > figure out where those things are and how they work, and actually get a > help websites and group support to tell me how to do things... on the past > TiddlyWikis that I used, I was up and running with really complex work in > maybe thirty minutes at the outside, and I never had to join a community to > get help. It let me focus on what I was using the wiki for, not have to > learn how to use the wiki. > > Maybe I'm too impatient or something, I don't know, but I think > TiddlyWiki5 went way right field of what made it appealing to the average > Joe in the first place. It's a shame that IE, Firefox and Chrome these days > seem to hate my older version of TiddlyWiki, so I can't use that either. > > Please understand that I don't mean any of the above to be intentionally > nasty or over-critical; I just wanted to raise the point constructively for > consideration. Like I said, I deeply appreciate the work that's gone into > this, and that I even had the option of using TiddlyWiki. > > Thank you, > - Elizabeth > > On Sunday, August 3, 2014 11:14:12 PM UTC+10, Ton Gerner wrote: > >> Hi Elizabeth, >> >> Have a look at [1] >> >> Cheers, >> >> Ton >> >> [1] http://tw5custom.tiddlyspot.com/ >> >> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 1:38:29 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >>> >>> Hi Elizabeth >>> >>> There's a list of system tags here: >>> >>> http://tiddlywiki.com/#SystemTags >>> >>> Best wishes >>> >>> Jeremy >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Elizabeth Blythe <para...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you, Richard! >>>> >>>> Is there a comprehensive list of system tags and what they do somewhere? >>>> >>>> Once again, thank you! >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 4:47:58 PM UTC+10, Richard Smith wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> You can add a tab to the sidebar by making a new Tiddler, eg; "Table >>>>> of Contents" and giving it the tag $:/tags/SideBar. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Richard >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 10:13:37 AM UTC+10, Elizabeth Blythe wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Greetings, >>>>>> >>>>>> I used to use an older version of TiddlyWiki, so I'm used to being >>>>>> able to define what goes into the navigation links (which are now on the >>>>>> right). I can't imagine this functionality has been removed... but I >>>>>> can't >>>>>> seem to find any HowTos on the website that tell me how to do this in >>>>>> the >>>>>> newest version of TiddlyWiki (or even TiddlyWiki Classic). It is most >>>>>> likely a language barrier because there's a lot of jaron and content to >>>>>> search through... anyway. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've spent last night and tonight trying to figure out how to modify >>>>>> the navigation topics to insert the header, then sub navigation points I >>>>>> want. How do I do that? Is it no longer contained in a special system >>>>>> tiddler? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for the help! >>>>>> >>>>>> - Elizabeth >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to tiddl...@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jeremy Ruston >>> mailto:jeremy...@gmail.com >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. 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