Hi Ok, since this keeps coming up, here's the full blow by blow of everything you need to do. Nothing left to the imagination :)
You have a switcher running into a filter running. The filter feeds into three terminal regulators. The regulators are running into the TBolt. Power to the switcher is from the wall or in some cases from a battery. First issue is inductors for the filter and why you don't want to just use inductors. Finding an inductor that will handle a couple of amps, and have enough inductance to be useful down to 30 Hz is a tough proposition. They are going to be big, heavy, and expensive. A three terminal regulator, properly chosen, will do a great job down at audio. Your switcher takes in 60 Hz, it's got 60 Hz ripple on it's output. You need to get rid of it. No they don't work to hundreds of MHz, but with care you can find ones that do well over the audio range. Next step is the first part of the filter. It needs to take over where your particular three terminal regulator starts to have issues. That could be lower or higher depending on what you use. Finding inductors that will work from a few tens of KHz to a MHz while moving over an amp - much easier than at 30 Hz. The switcher market has us flooded with cheap (like 10 for a dollar) little parts that do that. Three caps, two coils = nice filter. If size is not a big issue, getting low DC drop as well as some inductance is quite doable. Next stop above that - something designed for RF. Might or might not have a chunk of ferrite / powdered iron for a core. If you wind your own, very low cost (maybe a nickel). Likely a double L section, two caps, two coils. With all the coils, you need to look carefully at saturation. A coil that's rated for an amp, but that drops to 10% of it's inductance while doing it is not what you want. That gets you half of the filter. You need to do the same rock and roll with the capacitors. The stuff that works at 10 KHz likely isn't going to do much good at a 200 MHz. Even if they all are ceramics, your dielectrics likely will change between the sections. The net result is a gizmo that's quiet, small, and low dropout. None of the coils will drop much voltage at all. The LDO will be in the sub 1 volt range. If it drops by a volt with the OCXO full on, it should drop back to 0.1 V after warm up. Works fine. Hopefully that clears things up. Bob -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Larry McDavid Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 1:32 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Cc: ewkeh...@aol.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Supply I think you should look at the specifications for the noise-rejection capability of those three-terminal regulators. They are simple and inexpensive but not particularly good at noise rejection. Some of the noise from the switcher supply will pass through. Is it enough to cause a real problem? Unknown to me as yet. The power requirements of the Thunderbolt are not the usual ones you see standard supplies designed to meet. I have yet to find a small linear supply that is adequate that does not absolutely dwarf the Thunderbolt itself! Back in The Day, one could find a good assortment of multiple-secondary power transformers that would allow us to build a simple linear supply with the three-terminal regulators; there would no switcher to generate noise. Alas, these transformers are no longer easily available today. I think it can be done with two separate transformers but with the filters, regulators and actual wiring, this adds up to a lot of work! TAPR does offer a 13 vdc input, three-output power supply kit for their software-defined radio kits, but its -12 vdc output comes from a switching dc-dc inverter. That -12 vdc does supply the Thunderbolt OCXO so I have some concern about noise on that power feed. One could get a custom-designed PC board mount transformer and develop a board to supply adequate power. I doubt there is enough interest or purchase volume to justify this, however. So, I'm still looking for a compact linear power supply. I welcome your suggestions! Larry W6FUB On 2/14/2011 10:06 AM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: > Yes I am doing it with some very low cost switchers off ebay, followed by > linear regulators as I mentioned previously. Works great. > Bert Kehren ... -- Best wishes, Larry McDavid W6FUB Anaheim, CA (20 miles southeast of Los Angeles, near Disneyland) _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
