Have you considered WWVB? Works fine within structures.
Even though the carrier today is phase modulated one can probably glean
1 ms accuracy from it or the data transmitted.
Regards
Brian
On 7/23/2013 14:05, Magnus Danielson wrote:
On 23/07/13 05:55, Jim Lux wrote:
On 7/21/13 6:42 PM, Chris Albertson wrote:
I think the way to keep the sensors in sync is to use the same method
they use to keep cell towers in sync. Basically each tower has a GPS
receiver and also a good local oscillator. The GPS disciplines the
oscillator and the timing is taken from that oscillator, not directly
from the GPS. If the GPS signal is blocked the system continues
normally however the oscillator may drift without the connection to
GPS. Then later when the GPS is available again the oscillator is
corrected. The system can run for a few days in holdover with no
GPS connection.
I think you were talking about a system that switches to a backup 1PPS
signal.
Today, I have a system with multiple modules physically connected by a
cable that need to be sync'd to maybe 1 millisecond. I was thinking
about using the 1pps from the GPS as the sync, if it was available all
the time, even in GPS denied areas; that would make it always use the
same sync from the same device, even if it's not synchronized to some
external time scale. Since the GPS receiver doesn't put out the 1pps all
the time, I can sync another way, and drive that sync process from the
GPS if it's available.
The long term system will have multiple modules separated by some
distance that need to be synced and frequency disciplined, but they
might have GPS, so that could be used to discipline a clock in the usual
way. As a practical matter, I'm more a fan of using GPS for knowledge
and adjust the output using a DDS rather than steer the oscillator,
because that allows a higher Q resonator, but that's a matter of
engineering details.
There's also the situation where you're totally GPS denied, but that's
an even more tricky problem.
That is not the way to do it. The GPS should discipline a
10MHz crystal (or whatever) and then you divide that by 10,000,000 to
get your 1PPS. Then when the GPS fails there is no interruption, no
mode change. Such a system only needs to have access to GPS now and
then. So if you have to go under a pile of concrete and loose access
to the sky there is no "hiccup". This would work for the distributed
system too. Your 1E-11 over 10 to 100 seconds would be met even if
GPS were out for a few hours.
Yes, that would do. It turns out, though, that although you could
tolerate a slow drift, assuming you can figure out what it is, it makes
life harder if the two modules have drifted 1E-9 relative to each other
after 10 minutes.
The movie-business have similar problems, so a sync-ones and keep drift
low system emerged to make field recordings easier.
If it would be tolerable to have a "central" transmitter, putting a PN
code over a voice radio system would suffice to keep the drift fairly
well kept together for this form of system. If you choose to do it on
the audio channel, then you can use of the shelf radios, and replace
those or re-program those as needed. Also, they are dirt cheap nowdays.
Cheers,
Magnus
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