Gerald The new roll of the thing called LORAN has nothing to do with location any longer. But we all still call it LORAN. Old habit. Its new purpose if the government funds it is PNT dissemination along with some ability to send messages. In theory to backup GPS for timing. UrsaNAV did pick up at least 1 facility in NJ and they might have purchased another 1 or 2 but have no need to purchase all of the old sites. They produced a ppt that showed as little as 1 site would cover the US and two really would fill in the blanks. some place semi-central.
For us time nuts even the single central site would be useful as long as they stick to the current transmission format. Internationally they might have to stick to this modulation method since Europe uses the frequency for true eLORAN. I don't really know. But I am not complaining as the old receivers have all of there green lock lights on at 1745. Guess no one went for beer. Though they might shut down at 0000 utc I have seen them do that. The benefit of all of this is as an alternate frequency source that in Boston has always been far superior to the 60 Khz WWVB transmission. In fairness to WWVB if I had a magical processor as good as the LORAN receivers/processors, maybe it would do far better then what I see on the wwvb receivers I have. I just do not believe it would equal the LORAN quality. Currently all of the receivers are saying the signal strength is the same as last night. Though in actually listening to the signal I have a healthy dose of man made noise today. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Gerald Chafee <gcha...@gmail.com> wrote: > Does anyone know if they are using original antennas for chains that > existed during the heyday of LORAN C? > > I remember driving past the tower at the Seneca Army Depot in Romulus, NY , > and I was in awe of the size of the tower. I know the Coast Guard, then > Homeland Security had control of the site. I am not sure if the tower is > still there since some of the sites were decommissioned. > > I was wondering if they will be using the Master/Slave system, or do they > have a new way to triangulate? > > I know the worry of GPS jamming has caused a lot of worry. I was wondering > if cell sites that absolutely need super accurate timing will have LORAN as > a backup timing source? I know if they lose GPS, they lose their ability to > hand off to adjacent working cells (Island Cell Effect?). > > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Bill Riches <bill.ric...@verizon.net > >wrote: > > > Hi Paul, > > > > I stand corrected! Wildwood is up at 1615 now - 30/9! Beer call at > 1700! > > > > My last comment was in regards to the last evening activity that was not > > Wildwood. > > > > 73, > > > > Bill, WA2DVU > > Cape May > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On > > Behalf Of paul swed > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 1:49 PM > > To: David McGaw; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran > > > > And by the way it is still on as of 2pm est. > > Now the real test. They seem to go home for the weekend and beer time is > > typically 5pm or so. > > Will it still be on at 8pm? Curious minds want to know. > > Regards > > Paul > > WB8TSL > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 1:47 PM, paul swed <paulsw...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I can only go by the press release that was above and would guess its > > > wildwood. > > > Its clearly not in ma. That used to hit me with a heck of a signal > > > 1000uv plus > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:22 AM, David McGaw > > <n1...@alum.dartmouth.org>wrote: > > > > > >> Can you tell whether it is coming from Wildwood or another site? > > >> > > >> David N1HAC > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On 11/14/13 9:02 PM, paul swed wrote: > > >> > > >>> Sounds pretty good not banging in here like the old chain did. > > >>> austron 2100 says 38db > > >>> srs700 says 47 rcvr gain and 25 db noise margin. > > >>> hp3856b's says -53dbm or 500uv. > > >>> > > >>> Regards > > >>> Paul > > >>> WB8TSL > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 5:40 PM, J. Forster <j...@quikus.com> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> What's the signal strength like? > > >>>> > > >>>> -John > > >>>> > > >>>> ======= > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Oh that is indeed interesting that they are moving forward. > > >>>>> The GRI is 89700. > > >>>>> SRS700 locked and looking good. > > >>>>> Just brought the Austron 2100 and 2100F on line. > > >>>>> The 2100 is tied to the local RB and the f is tied to the HP3801. > > >>>>> The SRS700 looks at the RB. > > >>>>> I pulled the Austron 2000 out of the rack several months ago. > > >>>>> Needed the space. > > >>>>> Regards > > >>>>> Paul > > >>>>> WB8TSL. Near Boston. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Tom Van Baak <t...@leapsecond.com> > > >>>>> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> Well lets see. Just warming up the srs700. > > >>>>>>> UrsaNav must have received some support $ Regards Paul WB8TSL > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> Paul, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> See below, via Adobe OCR on a JPG press release: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> --- > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> From: "UrsaNav Press Contact" > > >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:31 AM > > >>>>>> Subject: UrsaNav Accepts eLoran Transmitter from Nautel > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> UrsaNav News Release November 14, 2013 > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Two Companies - One Dream > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> UrsaNav Accepts Delivery of First Production Nautel NlAO eLoran > > >>>>>> Transmitter > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Bedford, Massachusetts, USA.- After extensive Final Acceptance > > >>>>>> Testing at Nautel's Hackett's Cove, NS facility, UrsaNav has > > >>>>>> accepted delivery of the first production NL40 Loran-C and > > >>>>>> Enhanced Loran (eLoran) transmitter. > > >>>>>> This > > >>>>>> seventh generation Loran transmitter technology is the > > >>>>>> culmination of over six years of collaborative development > > >>>>>> between the two companies. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> The transmitter successfully met or exceeded all of the > > >>>>>> requirements of the u.s. Coast Guard "Specification of the > > >>>>>> Transmitted Loran-C Signal". > > >>>>>> Testing was conducted into a simulated antenna matching the > > >>>>>> characteristics of a u.s. Coast Guard "standard" 625-foot > > >>>>>> Top-Loaded Monopole. The NL-Series transmitters are capable of > > >>>>>> transmitting Loran-C, eLoran, Chayka, and eChayka in any > > >>>>>> combination at power levels exceeding one megawatt. > > >>>>>> They > > >>>>>> are qualified for today, and prepared for tomorrow. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> UrsaNav's President, Charles Schue, shown accepting the > > >>>>>> transmitter from Nautel's President, Peter Conlon, commented: > > >>>>>> "Resilient PNT begins with complementary technologies, layered > > >>>>>> one upon the other in such a way that the user is ensured > > >>>>>> improved continuity of operations over a sole-source solution. > > >>>>>> eLoran is the terrestrial coprimary complement to GNSS, and our > > >>>>>> technology makes eLoran the most economical, efficient, and > > >>>>>> wide-area alternative when GNSS is not available." > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> UrsaNav provides the world's most advanced solutions for Low > > >>>>>> Frequency Alternative Positioning, Navigation, Timing, and Data, > > >>>>>> including high-performance eLoran Receiver, Command and Control, > > >>>>>> and Differential Loran technology. We are the exclusive, global, > > >>>>>> reseller of Nautel's industry-leading, high-power, Low Frequency > > >>>>>> transmitters for Loran/eLoran and Chayka/eChayka. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> --- > > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go > > >>>>>> to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > >>>>>> and follow the instructions there. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > > >>>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > >>>>> and follow the instructions there. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > > >>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > >>>> and follow the instructions there. > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > > >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow > > >>> the instructions there. > > >>> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > > >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow > > >> the instructions there. > > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
