I used to do Loran-C timing syncs for the Air force using manual time syncs on the 3rd cycle of a specific station in a chain. it was quite the ordeal.
While doing that I came across a Loran C timing receiver and a Loran C simulator that was made by a company ( can't remember the name - wasn't Austron). Never could figure it out, or find the company, but I still have both items. maybe I can still figure it out since it was just a simple 100KHz receiver with timing circuitry. Jerry On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 5:49 PM, paul swed <paulsw...@gmail.com> wrote: > Gerald > The new roll of the thing called LORAN has nothing to do with location any > longer. But we all still call it LORAN. Old habit. Its new purpose if the > government funds it is PNT dissemination along with some ability to send > messages. In theory to backup GPS for timing. > UrsaNAV did pick up at least 1 facility in NJ and they might have purchased > another 1 or 2 but have no need to purchase all of the old sites. > They produced a ppt that showed as little as 1 site would cover the US and > two really would fill in the blanks. some place semi-central. > > For us time nuts even the single central site would be useful as long as > they stick to the current transmission format. Internationally they might > have to stick to this modulation method since Europe uses the frequency for > true eLORAN. I don't really know. But I am not complaining as the old > receivers have all of there green lock lights on at 1745. Guess no one went > for beer. Though they might shut down at 0000 utc I have seen them do that. > > The benefit of all of this is as an alternate frequency source that in > Boston has always been far superior to the 60 Khz WWVB transmission. In > fairness to WWVB if I had a magical processor as good as the LORAN > receivers/processors, maybe it would do far better then what I see on the > wwvb receivers I have. I just do not believe it would equal the LORAN > quality. > > Currently all of the receivers are saying the signal strength is the same > as last night. Though in actually listening to the signal I have a healthy > dose of man made noise today. > Regards > Paul > WB8TSL > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Gerald Chafee <gcha...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Does anyone know if they are using original antennas for chains that > > existed during the heyday of LORAN C? > > > > I remember driving past the tower at the Seneca Army Depot in Romulus, > NY , > > and I was in awe of the size of the tower. I know the Coast Guard, then > > Homeland Security had control of the site. I am not sure if the tower is > > still there since some of the sites were decommissioned. > > > > I was wondering if they will be using the Master/Slave system, or do they > > have a new way to triangulate? > > > > I know the worry of GPS jamming has caused a lot of worry. I was > wondering > > if cell sites that absolutely need super accurate timing will have LORAN > as > > a backup timing source? I know if they lose GPS, they lose their ability > to > > hand off to adjacent working cells (Island Cell Effect?). > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Bill Riches <bill.ric...@verizon.net > > >wrote: > > > > > Hi Paul, > > > > > > I stand corrected! Wildwood is up at 1615 now - 30/9! Beer call at > > 1700! > > > > > > My last comment was in regards to the last evening activity that was > not > > > Wildwood. > > > > > > 73, > > > > > > Bill, WA2DVU > > > Cape May > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] > On > > > Behalf Of paul swed > > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 1:49 PM > > > To: David McGaw; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran > > > > > > And by the way it is still on as of 2pm est. > > > Now the real test. They seem to go home for the weekend and beer time > is > > > typically 5pm or so. > > > Will it still be on at 8pm? Curious minds want to know. > > > Regards > > > Paul > > > WB8TSL > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 1:47 PM, paul swed <paulsw...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > I can only go by the press release that was above and would guess its > > > > wildwood. > > > > Its clearly not in ma. That used to hit me with a heck of a signal > > > > 1000uv plus > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:22 AM, David McGaw > > > <n1...@alum.dartmouth.org>wrote: > > > > > > > >> Can you tell whether it is coming from Wildwood or another site? > > > >> > > > >> David N1HAC > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On 11/14/13 9:02 PM, paul swed wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Sounds pretty good not banging in here like the old chain did. > > > >>> austron 2100 says 38db > > > >>> srs700 says 47 rcvr gain and 25 db noise margin. > > > >>> hp3856b's says -53dbm or 500uv. > > > >>> > > > >>> Regards > > > >>> Paul > > > >>> WB8TSL > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 5:40 PM, J. Forster <j...@quikus.com> > wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> What's the signal strength like? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -John > > > >>>> > > > >>>> ======= > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Oh that is indeed interesting that they are moving forward. > > > >>>>> The GRI is 89700. > > > >>>>> SRS700 locked and looking good. > > > >>>>> Just brought the Austron 2100 and 2100F on line. > > > >>>>> The 2100 is tied to the local RB and the f is tied to the HP3801. > > > >>>>> The SRS700 looks at the RB. > > > >>>>> I pulled the Austron 2000 out of the rack several months ago. > > > >>>>> Needed the space. > > > >>>>> Regards > > > >>>>> Paul > > > >>>>> WB8TSL. Near Boston. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Tom Van Baak < > t...@leapsecond.com> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> Well lets see. Just warming up the srs700. > > > >>>>>>> UrsaNav must have received some support $ Regards Paul WB8TSL > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Paul, > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> See below, via Adobe OCR on a JPG press release: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> --- > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> From: "UrsaNav Press Contact" > > > >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:31 AM > > > >>>>>> Subject: UrsaNav Accepts eLoran Transmitter from Nautel > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> UrsaNav News Release November 14, 2013 > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Two Companies - One Dream > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> UrsaNav Accepts Delivery of First Production Nautel NlAO eLoran > > > >>>>>> Transmitter > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Bedford, Massachusetts, USA.- After extensive Final Acceptance > > > >>>>>> Testing at Nautel's Hackett's Cove, NS facility, UrsaNav has > > > >>>>>> accepted delivery of the first production NL40 Loran-C and > > > >>>>>> Enhanced Loran (eLoran) transmitter. > > > >>>>>> This > > > >>>>>> seventh generation Loran transmitter technology is the > > > >>>>>> culmination of over six years of collaborative development > > > >>>>>> between the two companies. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> The transmitter successfully met or exceeded all of the > > > >>>>>> requirements of the u.s. Coast Guard "Specification of the > > > >>>>>> Transmitted Loran-C Signal". > > > >>>>>> Testing was conducted into a simulated antenna matching the > > > >>>>>> characteristics of a u.s. Coast Guard "standard" 625-foot > > > >>>>>> Top-Loaded Monopole. The NL-Series transmitters are capable of > > > >>>>>> transmitting Loran-C, eLoran, Chayka, and eChayka in any > > > >>>>>> combination at power levels exceeding one megawatt. > > > >>>>>> They > > > >>>>>> are qualified for today, and prepared for tomorrow. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> UrsaNav's President, Charles Schue, shown accepting the > > > >>>>>> transmitter from Nautel's President, Peter Conlon, commented: > > > >>>>>> "Resilient PNT begins with complementary technologies, layered > > > >>>>>> one upon the other in such a way that the user is ensured > > > >>>>>> improved continuity of operations over a sole-source solution. > > > >>>>>> eLoran is the terrestrial coprimary complement to GNSS, and our > > > >>>>>> technology makes eLoran the most economical, efficient, and > > > >>>>>> wide-area alternative when GNSS is not available." > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> UrsaNav provides the world's most advanced solutions for Low > > > >>>>>> Frequency Alternative Positioning, Navigation, Timing, and Data, > > > >>>>>> including high-performance eLoran Receiver, Command and Control, > > > >>>>>> and Differential Loran technology. We are the exclusive, global, > > > >>>>>> reseller of Nautel's industry-leading, high-power, Low Frequency > > > >>>>>> transmitters for Loran/eLoran and Chayka/eChayka. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> --- > > > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go > > > >>>>>> to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > >>>>>> and follow the instructions there. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go > to > > > >>>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > >>>>> and follow the instructions there. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go > to > > > >>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > >>>> and follow the instructions there. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > > > >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and > follow > > > >>> the instructions there. > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > > > >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow > > > >> the instructions there. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > > To unsubscribe, go to > > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
