Charles,

On 12/20/2014 09:24 AM, Charles Steinmetz wrote:
Gary <n...@lazygranch.com> wrote:

I try to minimize dangerous voltages. Anyway, the filtering reduces the
slew, so you can't have it both ways.

Starting with 120v gives you 10x the slew rate that starting with 12v
does, whatever filtering you use.

If by post processing you are averaging, then you certainly have lost
frequency variation data. Averaging is a filter.

You will not lose grid frequency variation data unless you average the
60 per second samples for *extremely* long periods of time, because the
grid frequency is generated by rotating machinery weighing many tons
that can only change frequency very, very slowly.  As I noted before,
the simple system I described resolves frequency to better than 0.01 Hz
in one cycle, so very little averaging is needed to achieve better
resolution than anyone really cares about.  As long as the averaging
function is more agile than the actual grid (and it will be under all
practical conditions), all actual grid frequency variations will be
preserved.

As you look careful on the phase variations, you will find that you have forced oscillations being pushed onto the network, some extending into several hertz and in one case a wind-farm had a 13 Hz forced oscillation being pushed out on the power grid. Also, there is inter-area oscillations creating resonant modes on the power-grid. These can either be fed from generators injecting energy into the mode or cause variations as breakers, transformer tappings or change of load occurs.

Things have been discovered when looking deeper into the phase variations with faster speeds.

Besides doing wide-area monitoring, starting to use these observations to steer stabilizers have been discussed and tested. The development goes quickly in the power-grid world at the moment.

Cheers,
Magnus
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