But the diurnal phase shifts at VLF are predictable and largely repeatable.  Ignore the phase at night and use only the phase records during the day when an all-daylight propagation path exists.  You might have to "correct" the absolute phase reading by some multiple of the RF period, but with a low rate of local standard oscillator drift, this is a simple matter of arithmetic. Back in the day, I managed Sulzer crystal oscillators at 5 field sites from my office and could maintain phase continuity for weeks at a time, until we had to diddle the dial on one or several of them to correct for crystal aging.  Then it was just more arithmetic again.  Several of the oscillators had such low drift rates that all I needed was one daily phase reading from the VLF phase tracking receiver (Tracor 599Js) at those sites to know the frequency of the Sulzers there.

... Martin     VE3OAT

On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 12:27:12 -0400
Bob kb8tq<kb...@n1k.org>  wrote:

WWVB as transmitted ( = right at the input to the antenna) is a wonderfully 
stable signal. As soon as
that signal hits the real world things start to degrade. Propagation between 
transmit and receive sites
is a big deal, even at 60 KHz. On top of that, there is a*lot*  of manmade 
noise at 60 KHz. The receive
signal to noise will never be as good as you might like it to be ?.

> I don't know about WWVB, but for DCF77 it's known that sunrise/sunset
causes a phase shift of several 100?s at even moderate distances
(like ~500km). Unfortunately I don't have any measurements at hand.


                                Attila Kinali


_______________________________________________
time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com
To unsubscribe, go to 
http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com
and follow the instructions there.

Reply via email to