We will have to disagree here completely. It is the job of the IRB to decide on 
the quality of research if the quality shifts the balance of cost/benefit to 
cost. Participants do give up theri time and energy and are not often 
compensated. Most subject pools use a genteel form of coercion that we leave a 
blind eye to--do this 3 of 5 times per semester or do a much more onerous task, 
or don't pass the course. Let's be real. Most students do not want to 
participate in research but most intro psych students have to, or they have to 
do article reviews or some such nonsense.

I don't think IRBs are too powerful at all. You need to sit on an IRB for a 
couple of years to see what comes before committees to get a real sense of what 
confounded garbage often makes it way to us. As chair I am often the only one 
reading the vast majority of studies and I have say I have seen some truly 
terrible proposals. It has changed my perspective completely. 

I think unless you have had the experience of this you might not understand the 
perspective of those who have see truly horribly confounded studies come before 
them. There is also a real danger to the understanding of science that comes 
from people participating in bad studies.

Annette

Quoting "Christopher D. Green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Annette Taylor, Ph. D. wrote:
> 
> > As chair of our IRB I have sometimes done the same thing, especially 
> > if the measures send up a red flag somehow. If the measures are 
> > reliable and valid then this is an extremely easy task. If they are 
> > not, then even in a minimum risk study you are abusing your 
> > participants if you are asking them to give up their time and energy 
> > on a useless task.
> 
> Who "gives up" their time and energy? Participants are usually 
> compensated for their time and energy. Participants don't "give up" time 
> and energy any more than other employees do (and surely, as employees 
> ourselves, we know how much "useless" work employees are asked to do).  
> It isn't (or, rather, shouldn't be, given the absurd amount of power 
> that IRBs have been given of late) for the IRB to pre-empt of the 
> editorial process by attempting to pass judgment on the quality of 
> research methodology.
> 
> Regards,
> -- 
> Christopher D. Green
> Department of Psychology
> York University
> Toronto, Ontario, Canada
> M3J 1P3
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> fax: 416-736-5814
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Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph. D.
Department of Psychology
University of San Diego 
5998 Alcala Park
San Diego, CA 92110
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