Paul:
One way out of this would be for me to help to start over here. It
seems that in this last paragraph you're suggesting that you do not
really believe that religion puts one on a higher moral ground. I read
you as saying that it does, and I still believe that was your intent,
at least implicitly, but I may have been wrong. 

Jim:
Ok, maybe I should respond to -this-

I apologize for respond to you in a shabby fashion.

I don't know how to respond to what you wrote, although I wish I could.

The whole issue of higher moral ground / not higher moral ground is
confusing because I want to argue both.

If that makes sense.

Obviously religious people must think that by being religious that makes
them more moral, since that is supposed to be a byproduct of being more
religious.

But to others you may not be more moral, because what makes you more moral
isn't what someone else thinks is a moral issue (e.g., engaging in
extra-marital sex).

Ultimately my sense of morality comes from my religion, but if you don't
buy my religion, you don't have the same sense.  Make sense?

Finally, part of the problem with this issue is that the focus of religion
seems constricted to a set of rules.

To some of us, it goes far beyond that :) 

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