Although I probably have said my piece on this issue and should let it go at 
that, Edward raises another point that has puzzled me about Louis' posts and a 
few others.  A kind of sanctification of college students emerges from some of 
these posts, a dewy idealized vision reminiscent of late-19th century changes 
in the view of children and childhood.  Being a teacher of college students is 
portrayed somewhat similarly to working as a missionary among striving 
innocents with boundless needs, who have entrusted themselves into the care of 
a humble servant who lives only to enrich the infinitely worthy spiritual and 
intellectual core of his or her flock.

The teaching profession itself is similarly lionized, with the process of 
transmission from teacher to student portrayed in hushed and reverent tones.  I 
have to say, as a teacher of martial arts and music as well as a college 
instructor--and as a  Buddhist and former Zen Buddhist--I am a person who 
deeply respects teaching, teachers, and the entire teaching process.  I 
probably have more respect and reverence for teachers than any number of others 
(certainly substantially more than the average student).

However....there is teaching and then there is teaching.  The conditions under 
which students enroll in modern universities and colleges, their motivations, 
attitudes, expectations, and so forth;  the way in which classes are currently 
structured, teachers hired and fired (e.g. the contingent faculty scandal); the 
moving to the fore of the commercial and industrial aspects of the university 
enterprise, at the expense of more commonly understood purposes for the 
existence of higher education institutions; and so forth---all this creates 
conditions quite different than would apply in a situation such as that facing 
a person who enters ballet or karate training, or who seeks to learn a music 
instrument, a spiritual practice, or sincerely wishes to better him or herself 
in some way by the acquisition of new knowledge and skills.  Quite simply, 
under current university conditions it seems egregiously inappropriate even to 
aspire to "know all one's students concerns."  Claims that one actually does 
know one's students' real concerns  at least must be examined for the 
possibility of self-delusional content. 

One may think of oneself as carrying out a noble mandate in the classroom, but 
if students think otherwise, are not sitting in their seats to learn what you 
have to teach but are there for other reasons which I shall not enumerate at 
the risk of seeming to be cynical, then to portray this entire enterprise as 
though we were talking about Yale in the 1930s,  Dunbar High School in 
Washington DC at the turn of the century, one-room school houses for freed 
slaves during restoration, or any number of institutions past or present where 
passionate teachers do their level best to impart-- and students their level 
best to receive--then the portrait painted lacks verisimilitude, the colors are 
cheesy, and the whole canvas smacks of kitsch.

Make it a great day, everyone.  Listen to Thelonious Monk.

Paul Okami




  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Pollak, Edward 
  To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:01 AM
  Subject: [tips] RE: Random Thought: A Quickie on Caring


  Just out of curiosity, Louis, how many students do you have each semester in 
your 4 sections of US History?  I have 150 students in my 1 section of intro 
psych and another 120 in my two sections of animal behavior. And, of course, 
I've got about 75 undergraduate advisees. (And no, I do not have a TA.)

  Do I know the cares and concerns of each student? Of course not!!! Could I 
even if I tried? Not a chance. Do I even want to? Not really. I think it's just 
fine that you try to learn the cares & concerns of your students but I'm 
betting that your classes are small enough to permit that only because there 
are guys like me who are willing to carry the load of very large classes so 
that the university can afford to let you teach smaller classes. 

  And I am certainly NOT trying to imply that I do more work than you. I'm 
quite certain that you devote far more time to each student than do I. I am 
suggesting that  the total amount of time evens out and that each of us serves 
in our own way. The reason people get so annoyed at posts such as this one is 
that it implies that what you do is more valuable than a) what others do and 
that b) students would be better off if we were all Schmier clones. I'm only 
suggesting  that a) what you do, while valuable, isn't necessarily better and 
that b) not only would students not necessarily be better off with a campus 
full of Schmiers, many students could not afford to even attend the university 
because the cost of all those small (Schmierean) classes would make it 
prohibitively expensive. 

  I think you might engender less hostility on this list if you spent even half 
the time trying to understand the problems of your colleagues that you spend 
trying to understand the problem of your students.

  Ed

  Edward I. Pollak, Ph.D.
  Department of Psychology
  West Chester University of Pennsylvania
  http://mywebpages.comcast.net/epollak/home.htm
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  Husband, father, grandfather, biopsychologist, bluegrass fiddler and 
herpetoculturist...... in approximate order of importance.


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  Subject: Random Thought:  A  Quickie on Caring
  From: "Louis Schmier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 06:01:08 -0400
  X-Message-Number: 1

  You say you care about each student.  Do you know each student?  Do you know 
the
  cares and concerns of each student?  

  Make it a good day. 
    
        --Louis--
   
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