I didn't see my analogy as pertaining to the difference betwen certification and licensing, but rather to responsibilities of students and faculty and principled behavior in an endeavor which is assessed for a reason. I also specifically included the last two lines because there may actually be some fear on the part of some administrators that their school could be sued over assessment issues: hence the pressure to 'bend-over-backwards' to get students through the system. I also believe that there is a cost (great cost?) to society if we keep giving degress to people who shouldn't have them. Higher education is a privilege in this country not a right, just like a drivers license. --Mike
--- On Mon, 1/12/09, Shearon, Tim <[email protected]> wrote: From: Shearon, Tim <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [tips] An analogy for the Weighty Problem To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" <[email protected]> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 11:52 AM Maybe it is me whose confused. Certification is educational. That’s what I viewed Carol’s College’s task as. The license is what is given and tested by the state. Do I have that backwards? Tim From: Jodi Gabert [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 3:17 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] An analogy for the Weighty Problem Hi Tim, Mike might not be confusing the two. I have a Michigan chauffeurs license which allows me to among other things drive a bus. CDL is also considered a license in Michigan and not a certificate. So might it just be a case of Idaho DMV says certificate and other states say license? Jodi > Subject: RE: [tips] An analogy for the Weighty Problem > Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 23:50:16 -0700 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > > Michael > The analogy. Hmmmm. Perhaps but very loosely fitting. I believe your analogy > confuses certification and license. > Tim > _______________________________ > Timothy O. Shearon, PhD > Professor and Chair Department of Psychology > The College of Idaho > Caldwell, ID 83605 > email: [email protected] > > teaching: intro to neuropsychology; psychopharmacology; general; history and > systems > > "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." Dorothy Parker > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Smith [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sun 1/11/2009 11:30 PM > To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) > Subject: [tips] An analogy for the Weighty Problem > > Perhaps and analogy could bring some more help. A bit tongue in cheek, but it > may still have some worthwhile points to think about... > > Student: But you don't understand, I studied really hard for this test. > Instructor: Yes I am sure you did. But driving is a privilege in this > country, not a right, and you didn't pass the test, so no you can't get a > drivers license. > > Student: But my life's ambition is to be a bus driver just like my father and > his father before him. > Instructor: I certainly understand passing this test is extremely important > to you. But honestly, I can't give you a drivers license without your having > the appropriate knowledge and skills. Sorry. > > Student: Look, I had toxic parents > Instructor: Oh, I am so sorry. I've heard about that condition. But really, > we have standards for a reason and you didn't meet those standards. > > Student: I can't believe YOU are ruining my life for the sake of a lousy test > about which I tried harder than probably anyone else. > Instructor: Honestly, giving bad news is the worst part of this job. And I > really, really believe that you tried your absolute best. But I don't think I > would be upholding my responsibility to the public if I were to give you a > drivers license. > > Student: Oh, yeah! Well I'll see you in court you incompetent blowhard! > Instructor: I really am sorry. > > --Mike > > > > --- > To make changes to your subscription contact: > > Bill Southerly ([email protected]) > Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. See how it works.--- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([email protected]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([email protected]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([email protected])
