I sometimes engage in a speculative exercise with my students - imagining what might have happened had the Dark Ages not intervened between the "Greek Miracle" and the Renaissance (of course, it wouldn't have really been a rebirth). Seriously - where would science and technology be today had progress been more continuous? I am thinking Star Trek....

;)


At 04:25 PM 9/15/2010, you wrote:





Marc Carter wrote:

Those old guys were *smart*...



If ever you hear of a concentration of philosophical, scientific, and artistic talent like there was in Athens between, say, 450 and 350 bc (a city of about 100,000 back then) move there and start drinking the water, breathing the air, and eating food grown from the surrounding ground. Something pretty astonishing was happening back then. (And when you consider that geniuses like Aristarchus and Archimedes came a century later during the Hellenistic "decline"... )

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-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher D. Green [<mailto:chri...@yorku.ca>mailto:chri...@yorku.ca]
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Just for the record, Aristarchus of Samos outlined a
heliocentric model of the universe 1700 years before Copernicus.

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Marc Carter wrote:


Good points, John.

It was really Copernicus who gave us the notion that you


could better explain the motions of the planets; it was
Kepler who worked out elliptical orbits (but hated them --
circular motion required no explanation, but ellipses do),
and Newton who invented gravity to explain the elliptical orbits.


Galileo gave observational evidence that there were more


than "seven heavenly bodies" in his observations of the
satellites of Jupiter.


He gets the "blame" because he was the one who provided


evidence for the notion that things weren't as the Ptolemaic
system would have it.


m

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-----Original Message-----
From: John Kulig [<mailto:ku...@mail.plymouth.edu>mailto:ku...@mail.plymouth.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 6:44 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?


Yeah, I agree! (sort of, but ...) My understanding


(haven't read the


original) is that Copernicus (Latinized from the Polish name
Kopernik) was theoretically embedded in the medieval way


of thinking


which was to try to fit the available data into pre-existing
medieval-style thinking. I believe he showed that either a geo or
helio-centered universe could be made consistent with


existing data.


Galileo deserves a tremendous amount of credit for pushing science
forward, but look to Kepler's three laws of planetary motion
(1609/1619) for a real data-driven science (Tycho Brahe's data
though), moving from the perfect circles of medieval thinking to
elliptical orbits. But in empirically derived laws, he saw a
different sort of perfection, mathematically, such as the
relationship between distance from the sun and time to


orbit (3rd law


I believe) ...

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Plymouth State University
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GALILEO GALILEI:
I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who


has endowed


us with sense, reasons, and intellect has intended us to


forgo their


use.



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