Chris, I believe that we have had discussions here about the practicality of teaching students to do hand calculations from formulas given the wide availability of statistical software. If so, do those who learn in classes in which the emphasis is primarily conceptual and software-based even taught how to look up p values in those tables? :)
Miguel -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Green [mailto:chri...@yorku.ca] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 6:15 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Teach statistics before calculus Funny, just earlier today I was saying that the reason so many students have so much trouble with the (continuous) statistics that we teach in psychology is that we are essentially trying to teach them a topic that requires a knowledge of calculus without making them take calculus first. That's what all those tables in the back of the book are: they integrate over probability distributions so that we can lookup (rather than calculate directly) the proportion of area up to a given x-axis value (z, t, F, chi-square, etc.). So this guy might be right that stats is at the top of the pyramid, but only because it passes directly through calculus. Chris ..... Christopher D Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M3J 1P# Canada chri...@yorku.ca http://www.yorku.ca/christo ....................................... On Sep 30, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Miguel Roig <ro...@stjohns.edu> wrote: > It's only 3 minutes long and there is probably nothing here that you don't > already know, but I thought it was worth sharing. > > http://www.ted.com/talks/arthur_benjamin_s_formula_for_changing_math_education > > Miguel > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Miguel Roig, Ph.D. > Professor of Psychology > St. John's University > 300 Howard Avenue > Staten Island, New York 10301 > Voice: (718) 390-4513 > Fax: (718) 390-4347 > E-mail: ro...@stjohns.edu > http://facpub.stjohns.edu/~roigm > http://orcid.org/0000-0001-5311-5651 > On plagiarism and ethical writing: > http://ori.dhhs.gov/education/products/plagiarism/ > ___________________________________________________________________________ > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: chri...@yorku.ca. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62bd92&n=T&l=tips&o=38783 > or send a blank email to > leave-38783-430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62b...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: ro...@stjohns.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=1632838.7e62b84813297f170a6fc240dab8c12d&n=T&l=tips&o=38787 or send a blank email to leave-38787-1632838.7e62b84813297f170a6fc240dab8c...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@mail-archive.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=38803 or send a blank email to leave-38803-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
