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> On Oct 21, 2017, at 12:49 PM, Christopher Green <chri...@yorku.ca> wrote:
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> I don’t think it was a choice. I think it was a journalistic reflex — go for 
> the personal, the emotional, because it draws in readers. The same reason 
> they pepper stories about murder rates with profiles about individual murder 
> victims. But in this particular case, it directed readers away from the real 
> story. They came out feeling sympathetic with the Harvard scientist whose 
> work had been (correctly, let us remember) called into question instead of 
> gasping for air at the gaping hole that was staring them in the face. Cuddy’s 
> reaction might be worth a paragraph, but here we got this lavish, heroic 
> treatment of her hard childhood, her teenage car accident, her difficulties 
> returning to school, and her rise, against all odds, to a Princeton PhD and a 
> Harvard professorship. But that’s not the story. The story is that nearly all 
> of the psychological  research of the past 50+ years is now under a cloud of 
> suspicion because we (nearly all) acted badly — sometimes disingenuously — 
> with respect to statistical analysis. Instead of demanding that those who 
> wanted the title of “scientist” really internalize the math, the probability 
> theory, and the critical assumption that underlie data analysis, we turned it 
> into a perfunctory "cookbook” that made it easy for people to think (or 
> rationalize) that there were no real consequences for cutting corners — 
> replacing butter with margarine, leaving out the dash of salt, trying to 
> replace sugar with some sort of artificial sweetener — and what we ended up 
> with was a hot mess that no one who is serious about these things can stomach 
> anymore. 
> 
> And it’s not as though any of this is new (though everyone who gets caught 
> keeps saying they had never heard of it before). The computational facility 
> that allows for the simulation studies of the past few years is new, but Paul 
> Meehl and Jacob Cohen and David Bakan, and Jum Nunnally, and Bill Rozeboom.  
> and Bob Rosenthal have all been telling us this stuff since the 1960s and 
> 1970s (and through the 1980s and 1990s). (Heck, there are even couple of 
> articles by a guy named Berkson from 1938 and 1942). But even most of the 
> psychologists who bothered to read this material (I was lucky that it was 
> assigned to me as an undergrad — Thanks TIPSter Stuart McKelvie!) decided to 
> harumph and go on pretty much as before — a little worse each decade as the 
> designs got more complex. 
> 
> It is a massive s#*t sandwich, and it threatens the credibility of not only 
> psychology, but of a ton of medical research (classic cancer experiments 
> aren’t replicating), not to mention the rest of the social/behavioral 
> sciences (every single one of which — except economics — shows an explicable 
> hump just inside the .05 p-value, when you survey the literature — graph 
> here: https://twitter.com/jtleek/status/890180014733492225). And we’re 
> suppose to focus on poor Amy Cuddy’s feelings? The thing is (for those of you 
> inclined to think that this is “really” a gender issue), Cuddy is way old 
> news now. Brian Wansink’s food lab at Cornell is having to correct and 
> retract dozens of articles — research that has already been (mis-)used to 
> change the practices of school cafeterias and the like. For heaven’s sake, he 
> was so “sloppy" that one of his most famous studies on the eating behaviour 
> of 8-11 year olds turned out to have actually been run on 4-5 year olds!  I 
> wouldn't expect him or his lab to last another year. There are half a dozen 
> other prominent labs under scrutiny of this kind as well.
> 
> Psychology is in deep trouble. Much worse than we know yet, especially once 
> the politicians who hate social science already get ahold of it. Amy Cuddy’s 
> feelings won’t amount to a hill of beans once the full scale of this thing is 
> understood. 
> 
> Chris
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>> On Oct 21, 2017, at 11:51 AM, Michael Palij <m...@nyu.edu> wrote:
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>> On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 20:03:43 -0700,  Christopher Green wrote:
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>> >Interesting article, but I thought it made the usual journalistic error 
>> >of personalizing the story too much, making readers come away 
>> >feeling for the people instead of understanding the problem.
>> 
>> Although I agree that there is too much personalization (I believe
>> this is done so that the reader can (a) see the person described
>> as more as a relatable person), and (b) borrowing some of the
>> writing conventions from fiction to make what would be a dry
>> nonfiction story more interesting.  In an article like this, I can accept
>> it.  However, after a long hiatus, I am teaching Introduction to Psych
>> and find that the textbook is filled with too many personalized examples
>> or what I would call "cutesy" examples that to simplify the presentation
>> and make it more accessible to undergraduates.  I think that this
>> helps students maybe to understand the presentation (or develop
>> the illusion of understanding) which will be challenged when they try
>> to read actual empirical research articles (e.g., "hey, where's the main
>> character? Where's the dramatic action and tension? etc.).  
>> 
>> That being said, from a 'qualitative research" perspective, I think
>> it is interesting to see what a person who has published a piece of
>> research that cannot be replicated is feeling and thinking.  Amy
>> Cuddy appear to be a highly capable and skilled person who though
>> she has given up on academia (at least for now) will make out
>> all right (kinda like John B. Watson, if you know what I mean).
>> 
>> The larger issue of the replication crisis, the pressures to publish
>> popular (to the general public not the scientific community) articles,
>> and to get external funding, I think, will be lost on the general reader.
>> Seeing how these factors affect a likable character is perhaps the
>> only way to show what these factors are and can do to a person.
>> 
>> Another thing to keep in mind is that this article uses a person who
>> is basically good but was incautious.  It might have been more
>> interesting if the person being covered was Diederik Stapel who
>> seems to be a much darker person and who appears to have inentionally
>> done bad things.  
>> 
>> One could say that bad science arises from good people doing
>> "incompetent" research and "bad" people doing fraudulent research,
>> among other things (e.g., following fads that focus on the weong things).
>> 
>> -Mike Palij
>> New York University
>> m...@nyu.edu
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