Hi all,

Thanks to everyone who chimed in on this adoption call. It looks like there
is consensus to adopt this as a WG item and volunteers to help review.
Rich, can you please submit draft-ietf-tls-tls12-frozen-00 to datatracker,
and transfer the GitHub repo to the tlswg GitHub org?
Thank you!

Cheers,
Deirdre, for the holiday chairs ✨

On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 6:40 AM William Stratton Apsokardu <
williamsapsokardu...@outlook.com> wrote:

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> *From:* TLS <tls-boun...@ietf.org> on behalf of Nimrod Aviram <
> nimrod.avi...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 13, 2023 9:49:55 AM
> *To:* Ilari Liusvaara <ilariliusva...@welho.com>
> *Cc:* TLS@ietf.org <tls@ietf.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [TLS] Adoption call for 'TLS 1.2 Feature Freeze'
>
> Hi Ilari, thanks for the clarification!
>
> I attempted to correct the text.
> Would you be willing to review the change? It's here:
>
> https://github.com/richsalz/tls12-frozen/commit/a1ce7ede97897e291af44f0c2f4fc225a2ca4447
>
> thanks,
> Nimrod
>
>
> On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 at 19:22, Ilari Liusvaara <ilariliusva...@welho.com>
> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Dec 08, 2023 at 05:47:01PM +0000, Salz, Rich wrote:
> >
> > Good point.  https://github.com/richsalz/tls12-frozen/pull/12 has the
> > change.  I’ll wait until/if this is adopted by the WG to merge it.
>
> Reading through the document, I noticed the following:
>
> "To securely deploy TLS 1.2, either renegotiation must be disabled
> entirely, or this extension must be present." (where this extension
> means renegotiation_info)
>
>
> Entirely disabling renegotiation is not sufficient to fix the
> renegotiation issue in TLS 1.2. For fixing the issue, renegotiation_info
> MUST be required both ways.
>
> And then there is the other part to the triple handshake attack where
> using TLS exporters for authentication without extended_master_secret
> extension is insecure, even if renegotiation is not supported at all
> by either side and both sides implement renegotiation_info.
>
> And then there is more dangerously flawed stuff, e.g., session tickets
> (technically an extension).
>
>
>
>
> -Ilari
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