> If a mail ends up in pending, it's because it wasn't recognized and a
> confirmation request was sent. That is essentially a bounce. It
> explicitly says the mail won't be delivered unless you respond. Once
> you respond, it gets delivered, so should no longer be bounced. If
> you don't respond, it doesn't get delivered but you've already been
> told that. That's the same thing a bounce would tell you.
>
> "You know that mail we told you wouldn't get delivered unless you
> responded? Well, it didn't."
I agree with everything you say. I agree that the confirmation
request is 'essentially a bounce'. TMDA carefully ensures that at the
SMTP level it is indistinguishable from a bounce.
But in a very real sense it's not a bounce. It doesn't say "your
message was not delivered". In some ways it's more akin to those
4-hour warnings that tell you that your mail hasn't been delivered so
far.
> Finally, if it's spam with a bogus return address, the confirmation
> request (bounce) never reached the original sender and a second bounce
> won't either. All you'd be doing is increasing 'net traffic.
Granted, but it's no worse than sending the confirmation request in
the first place.
> And realize that some of the messages in pending will either have been
> confirmed or released by you. Those are considered successful
> deliveries, even though they remain in pending.
Sorry, I didn't realize those messages remained in pending. Obviously
I only mean those messages in pending that were still pending :)
I guess that complicates the coding, though...
> I don't think TMDA has "thrown this principle out of the window".
> We've modified it so that, with the correct response to the bounce,
> your message can actually get delivered rather than hard-bounced and
> lost.
I wasn't accusing TMDA of throwing the principle out of the window.
It's the 'delete it if it matches a few patterns' people that have
thrown the principle out of the window.
I realize it's a somewhat subjective issue as to whether a second
bounce is necessary; I'm not asking for it to be the default, just
that it be an option.
In summary, I think there's a big difference between "please reply to
this, otherwise your message won't be delivered" and "you're message
wasn't delivered". IMHO the latter is a bounce, the former may be
bounce-like, but it isn't a bounce.
-roy
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