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On Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 04:36:40PM -0400, Stuart D. Gathman wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Kyle Hasselbacher wrote:
>
>> I think SPF before challenge is a good idea, but don't make the problem
>> bigger than it is.  I have an SPF record, and I get 2000 times more bounces
>> from mail servers than I do misdirected challenges from TMDA users.  That's
>> not hyperbole.
>
>Bounces (as opposed to replies, like TDMA sends) are no problem if you
>use SES (SRS for local mail).  Forged bounces (mail from <>) are immediately
>detected by a missing or invalid SRS crypto cookie, and rejected before DATA.

If you have any method of stopping "forged bounces," it works on TMDA
responses.  They're the same in a few important ways:

* MAIL FROM <>
* Sent to the envelope sender of the message it's responding to.
* Has References, In-Reply-To, Precedence: bulk, and
  Auto-Submitted: auto-replied

When I wrote my filter to weed out the thousands of bad bounces I get in a
day, I didn't have TMDA in mind.  Its messages just fell in there on their
own.  And, as a bonus, I still get REAL bounces and challenges back.

I'm not sure what SES is, so maybe I'm missing something.  Can you
elaborate?
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Kyle Hasselbacher | Harrisberger's Fourth Law of the Lab: Experience is
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  | directly proportional to the amount of equipment ruined.
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