Several weeks ago I went to a "Meet the Scientist" meeting for the Reeve Irvine Research Center held at the University of CA, Irvine. Both Dr. Oz Steward and Dr. Hans Keirstead of RIRC agree with Dr Kerr. The stem cells are "blastocysts" not embros. They are not aborted embros. That would have required the embros to be attached to the mothers womb. Not maintained in a dish, frozen.
As far as going out of the country for care, both of these doctors also agree with Dr. Kerr. They highly advise against doing it. There are some pretty ugly things that have happened to people that did go out the country. These occurances also have a negative impact on how people view the research that is being done. ---- Original Message ----- From: Deborah Nord Capen To: gbthomas8...@sbcglobal.net ; Westgold ; Amanda Diskey ; tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [TMIC] stem cell (OT?) I will make just a short statement regarding this, as I do not wish to become involved in a debate. Dr. Kerr has stated in all of his talks that the BIGGEST mistake in the very beginning was to even give it the name "embryonic stem cells". They are NOT embryos. They are NOT aborted fetuses. They are "blastocysts" - only two cells that could not ever survive outside of a petri dish on their own. Because the scientists made this mistake in the beginning of giving it the name "embryonic stem cell", all of the right-to-life people came out and attacked this research from the git-go. If you view the talks from all of our symposia at http://www.myelitis.org/events.htm and listen carefully to Dr. Kerr's talks on stem cell research, you will have better knowledge of this. Regarding the idea of going out of the country to receive treatments, Dr. Kerr has also discussed this. The research is there, but the follow-up on the patients is lacking, so they have no record of how the patients did AFTER they left the country to go back home. Take care, Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: gbthomas8...@sbcglobal.net To: Westgold ; Amanda Diskey ; tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [TMIC] stem cell (OT?) Our former president, George W. Bush, so direspectfully referred to on this list as "dumdum," was simply against the use of our tax money for embryonic stem cell research in consideration for those opposed, on moral grounds, to the use of aborted fetuses. Stem cell research was not stopped. It has widely been proclaimed (even on this "list") that adult stem cell research has actually been more successful than embryonic cell research. http://www.stemcellresearchfacts.com/ What should be of concern is the attitude, manifest in the new presidential administration, of disregard for sanctity of life. Surely such thinking in our governmental leadership would tend to provoke questioning as to compassion for TM'ers, especially those in adult years. Rather an irony-- a claim to compassion to help the suffering yet being quick to reinstate tax money for research which gives a boost to the abortion industry! I am not, by far, as learned as I would like to be on this subject, but just wish to include the opposite side to those who seem to hear that fetal embryonic research is the only answer to finding relief for those suffering from conditions such as ours (and, of course, worse). Gary in Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: Westgold To: Amanda Diskey ; tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [TMIC] stem cell Hi -- there have been many success stories all over the world with stem cells, I am so glad our new president decided to let the researchers get back to it in a big way. You can google stem calls + various diseases, or stem cells + success, etc, and you'll get a lot of stuff. There were twin girls who went to China for stem cells a couple years ago, and they were helped tremendously. You used to be able to find their stories by googling stem cells + twins + Toronto -- try that. I personally believe that now that the research is back under way full steam, we will be seeing amazing things happening in just a year or two. Too bad those 8 years of research were lost because of dumdum. ----- Original Message ----- From: Amanda Diskey To: tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 2:12 PM Subject: [TMIC] stem cell I found a hospital in Panama City, Panama affiliated with Johns Hopkins, and they say they can treat me with stem cells. The lady I spoke with says they have treated one person with TM and got good results. The cost is $30,000. What do you all think? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.283 / Virus Database: 270.11.26/2020 - Release Date: 03/24/09 09:19:00
