you know I thin not everyone uses this site the same way. I have been reading the posts for years and there is a group of people who always email OT comments and yes there should be a sensitivity to the fact that some of us/them are isolated but can I ask why can't the OT emails go directly to the individuals who want to have a political chat or discussion off topic. I can understand both sides, but I pose the question. It seems like the sensitivity/forgiveness is asked only on one side of this issue. Mary Anne
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Dalton Garis <malugss...@gmail.com> wrote: > *Can we just lighten up here a little?* > > We're all suffering, we are all isolated by our disease and our > disabilities, some are housebound, while a lucky few of us can still go out. > For some, this group is about all there is. So, if someone strays from the > straight and narrow, because of being hard up for some other level of > exchange, we should try to be a little more forgiving. > > Dalton > > > From: Susan Ebling <slebl...@gmail.com> > Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 14:21:58 -0500 > To: Dalton Garis <malugss...@gmail.com> > Cc: john snodgrass <jcs...@yahoo.com>, transverse myelitis < > tmic-list@eskimo.com> > Subject: Re: [TMIC] Re:OT Fwd: Barbara Walters comments on Jane Fonda OT > > I guess that relative 'new comers' to this group never got the "OT" > message. I'm sorry to have interrupted this pertinent email exchange. Lord > knows, there are not enough topics related to TM to discuss. Jackass. > > On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Dalton Garis <malugss...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> It said "OT" on it, right? So, what's the problem? >> >> Dalton H. Garis >> Associate Professor of Economics >> And Petroleum Market Behavior >> The Petroleum Institute >> P.O. Box 2533, Umm al Nar >> Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates >> Office: +971-02-607-5070/5297 >> Mobile: +971-50-668-5760 >> >> From: Susan Ebling <slebl...@gmail.com> >> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 09:43:09 -0500 >> To: john snodgrass <jcs...@yahoo.com> >> Cc: transverse myelitis <tmic-list@eskimo.com> >> Subject: Re: [TMIC] Re:OT Fwd: Barbara Walters comments on Jane Fonda OT >> Resent-From: <tmic-list@eskimo.com> >> Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 07:44:04 -0700 >> >> with all due respect, THIS is not the forum for this email. . . >> >> I need information on TM and look forward to it. >> >> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 9:34 AM, john snodgrass <jcs...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> sad part is many many many dont know and dont care these days >>> >>> --- On *Thu, 6/2/11, celr...@aol.com <celr...@aol.com>* wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: celr...@aol.com <celr...@aol.com> >>> Subject: [TMIC] Fwd: Barbara Walters comments on Jane Fonda OT >>> To: TMIC-LIST@eskimo.com >>> Date: Thursday, June 2, 2011, 12:09 AM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> From: lgvbabyg...@aol.com >>> BCC: celr...@aol.com >>> Sent: 6/1/2011 11:49:31 A.M. Central Daylight Time >>> Subj: Barbara Walters comments on Jane Fonda >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> comments on Jane Fonda >>> * >>> * >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Please take time to at least read this & the first hand accounts, than >>> let your heart do what you will. >>> >>> >>> *She can lead her present life the way she wants and perhaps SHE can >>> forget the past, but we DO NOT have to stand by without comment to see that >>> she is "honored" as a "Woman of the Century". * >>> >>> >>> >>> *Never Forgive A Traitor >>> >>> For those of you too young to remember Hanoi Jane is a bad person and did >>> some terrible things during the Vietnam war. Things that can not be >>> forgiven!!!! >>> >>> For those who served and/or died. . . >>> >>> NEVER FORGIVE A TRAITOR. SHE REALLY WAS A TRAITOR!! >>> >>> and now OBAMA wants to honor her......!!!! >>> >>> In Memory of LT. C.Thomsen Wieland who spent 100 days at the Hanoi >>> Hilton >>> >>> IF YOU NEVER FORWARDED ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE FORWARD THIS SO THAT >>> EVERYONE >>> WILL KNOW!!!!!! >>> >>> She really is a traitor. >>> >>> A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA >>> >>> This is for all the kids born in the 70's and after who do not remember, >>> and >>> didn't have to bear the burden that our fathers, mothers and older >>> brothers >>> and sisters had to bear.. >>> >>> Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the '100 Women of the Century.' >>> >>> >>> >>> BARBRA WALTERS WRITES: >>> >>> >>> Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never >>> known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country, but >>> specific >>> men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam >>> >>> >>> The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry >>> Driscoll, a River Rat. >>> >>> In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in >>> Ho >>> Lo Prison the ' Hanoi Hilton.' >>> >>> Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in >>> clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American 'Peace >>> Activist' the 'lenient and humane treatment' he'd received. >>> >>> >>> He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was dragged away. During the >>> subsequent beating, he fell forward on to the camp Commandant 's feet, >>> which >>> sent that officer berserk. >>> >>> In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from double vision (which >>> permanently ended his flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied >>> application of a wooden baton. >>> >>> >From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent >>> 6 >>> years in the ' Hanoi Hilton',,, the first three of which his family only >>> knew >>> he was 'missing in action'. His wife lived on faith that he was still >>> alive. >>> His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and clothed routine in >>> preparation >>> for a 'peace delegation' visit. >>> >>> They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that >>> they were alive and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of >>> paper, >>> with his Social Security Number on it , in the palm of his hand. >>> >>> >>> When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, >>> shaking >>> each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: 'Aren't you >>> sorry you bombed babies?' and 'Are you grateful for the humane treatment >>> from your benevolent captors?' Believing this HAD to be an act, they each >>> palmed her their sliver of paper. >>> >>> She took them all without missing a beat.. At the end of the line and >>> once >>> the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she >>> turned >>> to the officer in charge and handed him all the little pieces of paper.. >>> >>> >>> Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Colonel Carrigan was almost >>> number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know of her >>> actions >>> that day. >>> >>> >>> I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam , and was >>> captured >>> by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held >>> prisoner for over 5 years. >>> >>> I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one year in a cage in Cambodia >>> ; >>> and one year in a 'black box' in Hanoi . My North Vietnamese captors >>> deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a >>> leprosarium in Banme Thuot , South Vietnam , whom I buried in the jungle >>> near >>> the Cambodian border. At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs. (My >>> normal >>> weight is 170 lbs) >>> >>> We were Jane Fonda's 'war criminals....' >>> >>> When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked by the camp communist >>> political >>> officer if I would be willing to meet with her.. >>> >>> I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real treatment we POWs >>> received... and how different it was from the treatment purported by the >>> North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as 'humane and lenient.' >>> >>> >>> Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees, with my >>> arms outstretched with a large steel weight placed on my hands, and >>> beaten >>> with a bamboo cane. >>> >>> I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda soon after I was released. >>> I >>> asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She never did >>> answer >>> me. >>> >>> These first-hand experiences do not exemplify someone who should be >>> honored >>> as part of '100 Years of Great Women.' Lest we forget....' 100 Years of >>> Great Women' should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with >>> the >>> blood of so many patriots. >>> >>> There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi >>> Jane's >>> participation in blatant treason, is one of them. Please take the time to >>> forward to as many people as you possibly can.. It will eventually end up >>> on >>> her computer and she needs to know that we will never forget. >>> >>> RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, >>> USAF 716 Maintenance Squadron, >>> Chief of Maintenance DSN: 875-6431 COMM: 883-6343 >>> >>> >>> >>> PLEASE HELP BY SENDING THIS TO EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK. >>> >>> IF ENOUGH PEOPLE SEE THIS MAYBE HER STATUS WILL CHANGE* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Susan L. Ebling >> > > > > -- > Susan L. Ebling > -- Mary Anne Egan The Stettler Group, Inc. mae...@thestettlergroup.com (908) 806-3001 (908) 806-3113 Fax
