On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:34:09 -0500, Shapira, Yoav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Many of the relevant logging "standards" (given that there's no JSR) are > derived (if not plain copied) from log4j. Furthermore, the log4j people > have been working for improve standards and teamwork in this area, with > Logging Services TLP and its other projects like log4net, log4cpp, etc.
Nice, but this is irrelevant ;) There was a dominant logging framework (log4j). At some point, there was a need to do a logging standard. The Java standard is (unfortunately or not) governed mostly by the JCP. As a result, if log4j wanted to become the approved standard for the whole Java-land, and prevent the apparition of "forked" standards, it *had* to participate in that. Ceki chose not to and decided to put out Jon-like rants instead (I think the rant is quite justified, but you really have to be willing to make some compromises sometimes ...), and as a result, we have two dominant logging APIs now (log4j and java.logging). Without java.logging, we could probably ignore all APIs but log4j, so the need for commons-logging would be much smaller. -- xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rémy Maucherat Developer & Consultant JBoss Group (Europe) SàRL xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
