Hey STEVE R BURRUS! (And anyone else that wants to adopt an "I EXPECT you 
to help me!" attitude.)

It's really bad netiquette to say things like "since you didn't see fit to 
respond to my email message to u last nite", and more especially "will you 
please try to do a better job of responding back to me than the poor job 
that you apparently did last nite?"

Something more along the lines of "My message may have gotten lost in the 
mix last night, so I'm resending in case someone can help me out." and "I 
don't know if my previous reply got sent correctly, so here's a second 
try." are much more likely to get the desired response.

Be a little courteous, a little humble, and little grateful, and you'd be 
amazed at how much support you'll get in return.

My two cents.

Jay



 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: STEVE R BURRUS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:03 PM
 > To: Tomcat Users List
 > Subject: Re: Mailing List Load.... Forum???
 >
 >
 >  Hello there, Milton, this is Steve Burrus again, and since
 > you didn't see fit to
 > respond back to my email message to u last nite, I thought
 > that I would give you
 > another "electronic shout" right now!
 >
 >  Listen, I think that the proposal to create a
 > "comp.lang.java-server-side" new
 > newsgroup is A WONDERFUL IDEA!!!I simply cannot
 > stress/emphasize this enough, as
 > far as I am personally concerned!!! I mean, I have looked
 > around ALL of the
 > available newsgroups for some time now and found nothing at
 > all in the way of a
 > newsgroup that even remotely dealt with the server-side of
 > Java Programming!! And,
 > I will admit just to u that I am now actively studying to
 > create a career for
 > myself of being some kind of a server-side Java programmer! I
 > was wondering why
 > the hell is there not already a server-side Java Programming
 > newsgroup "floating
 > around" cyberspace?? Well Milt, will you please try to do a
 > better job of
 > responding back to me than the poor job that you apparently
 > did last nite?
 >
 >
 > Yours Truly,
 >
 > Steve R. Burrus
 > --- Milt Epstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Steve Russell wrote:
 > >
 > > > I think this list would make an excellent usenet group
 > > > ( comp.lang.java.server-side ? ).
 > > >
 > > > I read the documents that you need to read before writing
 > a usenet new
 > > > newsgroup proposal.
 > > >
 > > > Those docs said it was VITAL to have good justifications for your
 > > > proposed group in your proposal.
 > > >
 > > > According to the docs about the only universally accepted
 > justification
 > > > for a new usenetgroup would be a mailing list under
 > HEAVY, HEAVY traffic.
 > > >
 > > > Thats this list.
 > > >
 > > > If the owners of the list are interested in working with
 > me I'll pitch
 > > > in some work in creating a proposal for a
 > comp.lang.java-server-side
 > >
 > > There was a similar proposal done some time back.  It
 > failed -- barely
 > > -- not that there were a lot of dissenting votes, just not enough
 > > assenting ones.  I don't recall how long ago that vote was, but I
 > > think it's been longer than the six month moratorium before you can
 > > retry it.  If you're really interested in this, you should
 > contact the
 > > person that tried it back then, and see what his plans are,
 > whether he
 > > plans to retry with all the wisdom gained from that experience.  If
 > > so, maybe you can join efforts.  Even if he isn't planning on doing
 > > that, it'd probably be very useful to talk to him.  You can
 > search at
 > > groups.google.com to find out all about it.
 > >
 > > Milt Epstein
 > > Research Programmer
 > > Systems and Technology Services (STS)
 > > Campus Information Technologies and Educational Services (CITES)
 > > University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC)


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