I must admit that I find the Jakata web-site a little difficult to navigate. I am a developer, so I am somewhat used to moving through websites to find what I need, but I would imagine that someone with less experience would be a bit confused. It's a great site in general, and I am a big fan of Apache and the Jakarta project. Perhaps some work needs to be done to make information about this project more easily accessible?
-----Original Message----- From: Robert L Sowders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 27 November 2002 4:03 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: JDK is not enough. SDK is needed I couldn't disagree with you more Yoav. The very reason there are so many "users how to's" up on the web, and being used, tells you that the web site for Jakarta is poorly planned. You must put on the shoes of the beginner who is seeking information to understand. Sure now that I've been dealing with it for awhile I can find what I need at the Jakarta site, but I still remember my first impression as being one of total confusion to which the web site added. I was amazed myself at the time. Thinking that if the main web site for Jakarta was this jumbled then possibly the code was no better. You probably have forgotten your early daze. rls "Shapira, Yoav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11/25/2002 06:05 AM Please respond to "Tomcat Users List" To: "Tomcat Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject: RE: JDK is not enough. SDK is needed Howdy, Whoa there skippy ;) Venting is good sometimes... >According to this page, it references j2se which is the JRE, the runtime. >If >you're using Tomcat binaries and not compiling any Java, you would think >you >only need the runtime libraries and not the whole SDK. >http://members.ozemail.com.au/~lampante/howto/tomcat/iisnt/#1 "This page" above is some user's howto guide. I wouldn't count on it as the definitive reference for anything. The Jakarta site says you need the JDK, not the JRE. These definitions are uniform in their use across java.sun.com, the various apache.org sites, theserverside, jguru, many vendor sites, etc. so there is very little confusion as to which one is which. The JDK is the bigger one, containing various development tools including Javac and its tools.jar packaging required for runtime compilation of JSPs. The JRE is the smaller one. >Also Jakarta's site is one of the worst sites I visited. The home page says >nothing about Jakarta upfront. No intro about jakarta and what it's about. I find the Jakarta home page EXCELLENT. I've used it as a model in telling my developers, contractors, etc, how to structure their product web sites. If you scroll a bit down past the news, on the front page there is a section that explains what Jakarta is quite well: >Welcome >The Jakarta Project creates and maintains open source solutions on the Java >platform for distribution to the public at no charge. Jakarta products are >developed by and distributed through various subprojects, which are listed >the SubProjects menu the left, or in the section below. Each subproject has >its own team of developers and committers, and its own mailing list. > >All product support is provided through the subproject mailing lists. All >work at Jakarta is provided a volunteer basis. There is no paid staff. >Please considerate and do your homework before asking our volunteers to >donate additional time and energy to your project. > >All active products from the Java Apache Project have been merged into the >Jakarta website. A few retired projects (like JServ) are still available >through the Java Apache website. >nothing about Tomcat. There's no 'requirements' section. Therefore I can't >find out what I need to run Tomcat. For someone who just wants to use it, The documentation for tomcat is easily accessible. The READ-ME tells you that the install and run document has requirements. The install and run document has clear, complete, and concise requirements. Every tomcat distribution also includes this documentation in the top level directory when you unpack it. >the resources are hidden in the site. There's no search function and the >site is not easy to navigate. I hope it wasn't developed by a developer. >Web developers do not necessarily design good web pages. Not necessarily is correct. There guys, IMHO, do design excellent web pages. I've found them easy to navigate and to find what I need. There's a "Search Jakarta" link at the top left of the home page. I hope you've installed it all, and chilled out a bit, over the weekend. As a future reference, I would point out that historically, calm and well thought-out questions to this list tend to get more and better responses. There's a good reason most people (and believe me, a lot of people read it) chose to ignore your message. Yoav Shapira Millennium ChemInformatics -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>