Thank you, more than I can say. -Sumana On 05/02/2013 11:20 AM, Aaron Halfaker wrote: > Hey folks, > > I usually steer clear of these sort of battles, but it looks like it's time > to state the obvious: *we need to work together better*. > > We're wiki people, damn it. We're the people[1] who figured out how to > build an encyclopedia through (effectively) an anonymous system when those > with less imagination were skeptical what it could even work at all. Now, > we're fighting against ourselves about technology to support our wiki work > and it is only wasting time, energy and social capitol. > > DaB, I don't follow toolserver-l as well as I should. What can I do to > help make sure that the Toolserver cluster is well supplied *at least* until > labs meets 99.9% of tool developers needs. Do I need to lobby the WMF? > WMDE? > > Ryan, I'm sure it was not out of some sort of malicious intent, but a large > number of toolserver users and especially DaB are getting a raw deal. At > some point, someone seems to have suggested that WMF Labs ought to replace > the Toolserver. This is painful because, while Labs is not yet ready for > us, the Toolserver is already being phased out. It's not fair to just say, > "Come on over to Labs and help us." I don't see how jumping ship before > the next one shows up is a good idea. The majority of us are doing our > work as volunteers. We can't just manifest extra maintainer hours in order > to spend developer time on Labs. We're already spending more time dealing > with Toolserver issues than we normally would. > > Finally, the Toolserver isn't just a resource. It's our community. A > community is far more valuable than technology. If we don't preserve our > community, we'll all lose. So please, when we're fighting each other, our > first thought should be how to not need to fight anymore. > > So here we are. Today was wasted arguing about who was wronged. How do we > work together better tomorrow? > > -Aaron > > > On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 9:05 AM, DaB. <w...@daniel.baur4.info> wrote: > >> Hello, >> At Thursday 02 May 2013 15:29:07 DaB. wrote: >>> I'm confused. I thought we were all here to support the readers, editors, >>> researchers and developers of the Wikimedia projects? If the toolserver >> is >>> empty because Labs is accomplishing the goal, isn't that a good thing? >>> >>> I've asked this before: why not help with Labs, rather than fighting >>> everyone? Let's work as a team >> >> do not forget who started the fighting: The WMF. The WMF announced to WMDE >> that >> the database-replication is going to end in the near future, what caused >> that >> WMDE stopped to support the Toolserver properly. The very goal with this >> was >> to let (Tool-)Labs be the only alternative. >> A fair approach would have been to create Labs as an alternative to the >> Toolserver, letting the users (new and old) decide which system they want >> to >> use. Toolserver and Labs could have existed in coexistence, exchanging >> knowledge, and maybe specially in different fields after a while. But that >> was >> not what happened. Instead the WMF decided because the are bigger, have >> more >> money, servers and personal, and control the replication-data, that they >> just >> could put the toolserver to an end – what didn't work as well as expected. >> And >> now we are sitting here with confused tool-authors, annoyed tool-users and >> a >> angry root. >> I didn't start the fight and I am not interested in teaming-up with a party >> which was not interested to build a team in the very beginning when it >> counted. Switching or helping with Labs would signal that I'm fine with all >> what the WMF did – and I'm not. >> >> Sincerely, >> DaB. >> >> >> -- >> Userpage: [[:w:de:User:DaB.]] — PGP: 0x2d3ee2d42b255885 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Toolserver-l mailing list (Toolserver-l@lists.wikimedia.org) >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/toolserver-l >> Posting guidelines for this list: >> https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Mailing_list_etiquette >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Toolserver-l mailing list (Toolserver-l@lists.wikimedia.org) > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/toolserver-l > Posting guidelines for this list: > https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Mailing_list_etiquette >
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