Am 31.05.2013 02:20, schrieb DaB.:
The Toolserver is not just a place where you can put a program and run it or
host a website. It’s a living community creating stuff in a anarchic way that
works only in praxis but not in theory; it’s like Wikipedia. WikiLabs is more
like Nupedia – in theory it is better, but in praxis it is empty and cold. The
difference is that for Nupedia Jimbo accepted that it can not work and stopped
it, and forced not Wikipedia user to switch to the_better_ platform. In our
case it is just the way around: After the WMF noticed that nobody needed
WikiLabs that started to look for a problem for their solution, and found the
Toolserver.
I take a look at Toollabs, also to be able as a WMDE member to defend
Toolserver. What I found was the opposite of cold and empty.
It cost me only 1 minute to transform my project to a multi-maintainer
project with a co-maintainer. I don't need to change the URL or need to
ask an admin. So anarchic cooperation is really easy. Other things are
very similar to the toolserver so that the community can further riding
on an other horse.
@Dab: If you see it as a fight against WMF, you had never a chance to
win and I can understand your personal tragedy. But in OpenSource field
you can not avoid that somebody takes your idea and copy it. But I say
we can also learn from Toolslabs and should think about after some time
to create a Toolserver 2.0.
Special topic OpenStreetMap:
On toolserver I had the problem that some of my OSM tools "fading out"
over the years because the database become incredible slow as the data
volume grow by factor 5. A solution on Toolserver seems not possible,
also if it would cost (with a SSD) under 1000€. So there was a level of
frustrating and some people leave the project. And so I'm looking for an
other solution to bring my work, my projects and the projects of others
back to life and develop new stuff. I hope now that we will have on labs
a fast OSM database for tools and experiment. (Rendering of popular
styles should run in production environment, not in Labs.)
Greeting Tim alias Kolossos
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