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Hi Mike,
Great points.
Tolle,Kinslow, 5th way processing in Sedona Method go a long way expanding
upon this level of awareness. Seems the most accurate level of address (to
me) as it deals with the true self. It also might change the way one sees games
(reality) and their structure. Spiritual reality seems to blossom and a deep
healing can occur. At least that's what I'm finding for myself.
Love,
Fran
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Subject: Re: [TROM1] Meditation - Being, joy filled, harmless to everyone
To: goldassa...@verizon.net, "The Resolution of Mind list"
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Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 3:59 PM
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Hi Pete
Dennis also describes this state as a timeless condition, which means to me
that there is no before or after as we know it in the mind or games condition
state.
No effort whatsoever, a perfect snchronicity with life.
Using mind concepts it is completely impossible to describe such a state as
Niravana because the mind is a lower order creation.
We can point at it and I would certainly say joyfulness is an aspect of such a
condition.
The philosophy of Non Duality points at this state very well as does some
Budhism practices, the real Self as opposed to the little self or ego. As
Dennis points out they have no knowledge of postulates or postulate structure
which we have in Trom.
A Being in this state (Niravana) can at any instant create a postulate to have
a game of some type, create a goal to achieve, however the instant they do they
are now subject to effort, negative forces to oppose them and the content of the
reactive bank if they have one, without opposing forces there is no game.
Although Niravan sounds nice it is my opinion that it is a perfectly useless
state to be in while inhabiting a body in the physical universe, no game
sensation at all.
I should think most people could get a taste of Niravana by using some type of
meditation technique, after a while the thinking mind dissolves and it is at
that point that I have no words to decribe it because there is no thinking mind.
Best
Mike
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Dennis talks about achieving a state he called Nirvana and about getting to a
condition where you can willingly play or not play games. He was not very
clear on what Nirvana would be like.
My understanding so far is that Nirvana is a condition of simply being. That
is existing without any doingness or havingness toward others or things. So
just existing.
Lester Levenson in “Keys to Ultimate Freedom” states that unhappiness is a
condition we cause for ourselves by deciding that we lack something. So our
native state is Joyfulness. This would be like the joy you feel when you fall
in love with someone who returns the feeling. Joy filled then is feeling this
loving feeling without the need to be loving a particular other person.
Harmless toward others is of course the no games condition. If I am in a game
I am trying to have an effect on others. If I want to not be playing any game
then I want to have no effect on others. So the simple way to say this is
harmless toward everyone.
Nirvana as I see it is then the state of being, joy filled and harmless toward
others.
Meditation is the focused thinking of something or nothing. The creating of an
attitude or point of view and holding it. This will necessitate dealing with
anything that comes up while holding the attitude. In the CCHs processes the
pc is kept at the simple procedure as their reactive mind throws at the PC
everything it can to stop the process from occurring. Meditation is the same.
Trying to hold a point of view will bring up reactive mind content which will
distract you from your point of view. Release on or time break or just
reaffirm the point and continue. With continued practice you will be able to
achieve the point of view for longer periods of time. When you can hold it
indefinitely you are at Nirvana and able to attain a games free condition at
will.
The above is not from Dennis but something I have applied to myself to achieve
the goal of TROM. It works for me so I offer it to everyone in hopes that it
will be helpful.
Keep on TROMing
Pete
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