************* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org ************ Further findings and discussion on RI vs. TimeBreaking on Level 4, overwhelms:
(You may feel this is long and wordy but it is necessary to specifically detail the differences mentioned) Having done a Level 4 session last evening, I came to further conclusions concerning the above topic. I realized that an incident that I looked at as being an overwhelm really wasn’t, although it felt like it was. Applying TimeBreaking to it had no effect or change and I ended off and did some RI. At this juncture I was still curious about the incident, which did not seem to be handled by TimeBreaking or RI. Looking into it further I realized that it was similar to an overwhelm but what it actually was, is being made wrong or one being made into anything that one feels is a lowering of their self esteem. This was the key that opened the door. At that point I realized that I have various numbers of chips on my shoulder. Probably not very many but just one is enough. Something happens or someone makes a comment and one takes it personally. One then assigns cause and being of oneself to another. That’s just the start, for if one tries to rectify that, they only get pushed deeper into the quagmire. After all, the only fix to this is for oneself to acknowledge to one’s self that only he has the power to assign a beingness or state of condition to himself. Others may try but the only one that will stick is the one that one gives to himself. Theta is capable of considering to himself, that he is overwhelmed and the silly fool often not only considers that but goes forward from there, putting the identity, beingness and body into what he feels is the proper result of the overwhelm he has just considered he has received. Sometimes he may do this over many lifetimes. There is also a very fine line here that most have a great difficulty keeping in place and that is the separation between identity/ beingness/body vs. the Thetan. Yes one can get hit in the face with a custard pie or trip and fall into a muddy pit. One will also suffer the ultimate overwhelm of death at some point in time. All of this is just part of the game. And yes, these are overwhelms but one must remember that identities, bodies, beingnesses are all subject to overwhelms whereas the Thetan is not, not ever. This is one class of overwhelm that one has to accept as a body, an identity and a beingness. Unless one can become God and responsible for the entire MEST Universe, there is no other alternative. At that point there is also no game, no livingness, only a one state of beingness. Always remember that identities, beingnesses and bodies are a dime a dozen. You have had several tetrazillions so don’t fret over it. You cannot be kept out of the game. The purpose is to not get into a games condition. Now let’s get back to that first type of supposed overwhelm I mentioned. The type of supposed overwhelm that one can eliminate with TROM. I want to state this type as a generalization of being right vs. being wrong. Many get into being right vs. not being wrong, a little more convoluted, a little easier to set on fire but I think you get the picture. When someone says you are a dolt, stupid, dumb, too short, too tall, ugly, fat, skinny, a nerd, etc., you can easily take that personally and be compelled to fight that assignment and prove another wrong. This is definitely a games condition. With TROM, this games condition is the one that is being remedied and eliminated. Most of all one has to realize that whatever reaction, involuntary or not, that when one rails against this assignment that one is now instituting a games condition. When Dennis mentions Nirvana, I believe he is referring to going above and beyond this. In other simpler words, one has to stop assigning themselves as whatever, instituting a games condition and then fighting that self-assignment thru battles with others. That one will never be won and will only put one on a downward spiral as one attempts to fight not only the original battle but all of the new ones that continue to show up inasmuch as one has assigned themselves a games condition, a beingness, an identity that will only pull in more similar related games conditions. I now want to get into more technical detail about this so called overwhelm. It’s not really an overwhelm although one may feel it is because they were made wrong. This is the crux of the problem. It is why TimeBreaking really didn’t handle it. RI didn’t handle it because I was doing importances but really wasn’t doing them relatively. I must say that yes there is a major relationship between right and wrong but only to and between those two extremes and the relationship becomes a circular argument and in fact a games condition in itself. This realization broke the problem down to the point I could see what was going on. I now realize that these types of dichotomies such as right and wrong are what is handled in Level 5. One has to learn how to not create a games condition with their raw postulates. Postulates, which take one side of a dichotomy at the exclusion of the other side, create deadly games conditions. I can see that this would also apply in running RI. I will not go into Level 5 on how to approach this but just stay with RI. I mentioned earlier that I was doing importances but not in a relative fashion. What I meant was that which is important, going on a hierarchal status are the MEST Universe, galaxies, planets, air, water, food, plants, other people, animals, etc. Where one can get really fouled up is when one creates and importance of being ‘happy’. This is obviously as opposed to being unhappy. There, a games condition has just been imposed. The next person that does or says anything that you feel made you unhappy, seem unhappy, didn’t recognize that you were happy, invalidated your emotional condition has just automatically overwhelmed you and taken you into a games condition. Therefore as one goes along doing TROM, one needs to watch out that they don’t do RI with dichotomies. Important to be ……… brave, handsome, smart, loving, loved, etc. are all wrong. Sure these may be important to you but beware of setting up new or even continuing games conditions. Just pick out things in the MEST Universe that are relatively important to you like food, a car, getting to work, coming home, doing the dishes, getting some sleep, doing a TROM session. One must also not look at things like getting or having money because that automatically says you don’t have money and putting an importance on that condition sets it up as a games condition. Yes it can be pretty tricky and that is what the mind is all about, tricking you into obeying it without you understanding how it is doing that to you and having that kind of power over you. As a suggestion, just go with money as important and nothing else about it and keep the having it or not having it out of the picture altogether. Everything in the MEST Universe is important or it wouldn’t be here. Just watch how you qualify that importance. Dennis was probably getting into this when he said quantity vs. quality. I don’t see that this gets completely handled until Level 5 but until then recognize that you may be putting up importances in your life with or without running RI as a normal course of living. These types of importances that automatically turn into games conditions can and will cause you all kinds of trouble. They will also cause you all kinds of difficulty in trying to figure out what is going on until Level 5 is complete. Another saying I have is you can only want something that you don’t have. So stop wanting it and do something that will produce a product. Something you didn’t have that you now have and don’t have to want for it any more. As long as you continue to want something you will never have it. Any questions, email me or post on TROM. Paul _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
