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Hi Pete, from Aarre Nov. 1/'11
Perhaps this is rhetorical. I'm not sure. I have L.Ron Hubbard's 'The Factors' in front of me, so let's look at it. 1. Before the beginning was a Cause and the entire purpose of the cause was the creation of effect. 2. In the beginning and forever is the decision and the decision is TO BE. 3. The first action of beingness is to assume a viewpoint. 4. The second action of beingness is to extend from the viewpoint, points to view, which are dimension points. etc. Keypoint is the last half of Factor # 3. Sequence. The beingness apparently came before the viewpoint, and THEN needed to assume a viewpoint. At least LRH said that the beingness came before the viewpoint, insinuating some sort of difference. Before beingness was cause, so I took 'cause', which is the earliest in the chain of events, to be the thetan (spirit). Perhaps this isn't vital anyhow. Thanks much, Aarre On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 1:53 AM, Pete McLaughlin < pete_mclaughlin_93...@yahoo.com> wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > ************ > > Hi Aarre > My personal observations are that the Thetan is the viewpoint and can > "locate" anywhere at will. He can perceive with the bodies senses whether > he is in the body or not but i find that i have a hard time perceiving the > bodies sensations when i move my viewpoint out of the body and likewise i > have a hard time not using the bodies senses when i am located in the body. > > At the moment i am most comfortable with the notion that everything > started as the one being which we could label as > God. God postulated other beings to exist at which point they parted off > from him. While these other beings were separate from God by the postulate > that they were not part of God this was a lie. They are in fact still part > of God. > More postulates made more beings and more postulates made matter, energy > and space. > > All of which is still God If all the postulates of separateness were > eliminated there would only be God. > > If this view is correct then all considerations that the physical universe > is in a different location from the thetan is incorrect. All are just God > and we thetans are just choosing to perceive or not perceive the physical > universe, other beings with or without bodies and God himself as a matter > of personal choices. > > Sincerely > > Pete > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Aarre Peltomaa <peltomaa.aa...@gmail.com> > *To:* Slim . <slimspersonalem...@gmail.com> > *Cc:* The Resolution of Mind list <trom@lists.newciv.org> > *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2011 7:17 PM > *Subject:* Re: [TROM1] interesting fun piece on EXTERIOR > > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > ************ > > Hi Randy, Oct. 29/'11 Aarre > > It's a battle to catch up with the emails. Sorry for the tardiness. The > thetan can never be in the physical universe, but only his creations can. > His creations include the mind, body, brain, physical matter, etc. It > seems to me that the thetan creates his mind out of postulates, and > everything else out of postulates. It would seem that, because the > physical universe is 'generated with TIPM' out of a thetan's opposing > postulates within the thetan's mind, voila! The physical universe is > within the thetan's mind as a construct, and nowhere else. The mind is > senior to the physical universe in other words. The thetan is a static who > isn't located anywhere. It seems the thetan mocks up being overwhelmed > because of his reactions to his postulates. No? He creates the > 'Frankenstein's monster', and then decides to be freaked out when he sees > it. No? It seems he must know and be known, even to himself (flow 0). > If by corrolary, the mind is senior to the physical universe, then it would > seem that the mind, like the thetan that created it wouldn't be located > anywhere. Energies 'from' the mind are obviously located in the physical > universe, but that doesn't mean that the mind itself is. Perhaps there are > two basic categories of mind, the postulates which aren't in the physical > universe, and the 'energies, pictures, masses, noise, etc.', which is > located in the physical universe. > > Food for thought. > > p.s. - the thetan's viewpoint goes exterior to the body, never the thetan > 'himself'. The thetan can never 'go' anywhere, and never has. Your > viewpoint travels around, not you ! You create a viewpoint to go > travelling around and having adventures. You are entertained by it. > > I'd love comment on this. > > Your friend, > Aarre Peltomaa > peltomaa.aa...@gmail.com > (647) 202-7267 > > On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Slim . <slimspersonalem...@gmail.com>wrote: > > Perfect agreement is just a complimentary postulate > > If a thetan can not be overwhelmed unless he's in the mest universe and > yet the thetan is not in the mest universe. How is the thetan > overwhelmed ever ? > > > > If the mind has no location , where is it? > > If there is a present time universe there must be a past time universe.. > > Where is it? > > > > Sent from my Windows Phone From: Aarre Peltomaa > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 7:07 PM > To: The Resolution of Mind list > Subject: Re: [TROM1] interesting fun piece on EXTERIOR > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > ************ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > Trom@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > Trom@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > >
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