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Hi Leon, from Aarre Nov. 19/'11
May I risk a possible answer? I haven't done too much level 4, but have worked on the 8 overwhelms. I'm not finished level 3, so I'm only speculating a possible explanation. To me TROM is so deep down basic, it deflates the 'tire' of charge (analogy) slowly, rather than with explosive case gone. TROM seems to deplete the whole case, each time it's run, rather than address individual incidents, of which there are millions or trillions on the whole time track anyway. It seems to be subdued, with no hugh fireworks. It just seems to be a slowly leaking 'tire', where the charge is leaving day after day, even when you didn't have a session. My sessions have not been very 'loud', compared to Scientology sessions. It seems that the further you are from early/prime cause, the more explosive, loud, and bombastic seems to be the case gain, because the fundamental postulates don't seem to be addressed in Scientology. Cause is very quiet, and effect is very loud. I believe that if one addressed the 'to know' postulate, that whole chunks and sections of case would vanish smoothly and quietly without your even knowing half about what left. One might say, 'what's gone?'. Something is changed drastically, but I don't know exactly what left? Randy (Slim), do you think this makes sense? Thanks, Aarre On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Leo Swart <leosw...@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > ************ > > I wish Dennis was still around so I could talk to him. There is one issue > I have with TROM that remains unresolved for me. Don't get me wrong - I do > love these materials and I can get it to work for me and I get the gains > out of it, all is OK on that score. But, still I have this nagging feeling > about it. > > You see a really thorough end penomena in running an incident or "blowing > it" or whatever you want to call it, let's say Dealing with a past > incident, would include: (a) full erasure of the charge locked up by the > incident, (b) full perception and realization of all of the significances > contained in and resulting from the incident, (c) the ability to fully > pervade the actual considered time and space in which the incident > occurred, and (d) a full recovery of all of the beingness, activity level > and reach that the person had prior to the incident. > > TROM achieves (a) pretty well. But what about the rest? I don't find > these here. > > Your comments and advice would be welcome. > > Leon > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org" <trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org> > *To:* trom@lists.newciv.org > *Sent:* Sunday, 20 November 2011 1:00 AM > *Subject:* Trom Digest, Vol 88, Issue 27 > > Send Trom mailing list submissions to > trom@lists.newciv.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > trom-ow...@lists.newciv.org <trom-ow...@lists.newciv..org> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Trom digest...." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Trom Digest, Vol 88, Issue 26 (Leo Faulhaber) > 2. exclusion lecture question (Colleen Peltomaa) > 3. Re: exclusion lecture question (xriz) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 20:14:23 +0100 > From: Leo Faulhaber <leo.faulha...@gmail.com> > To: trom@lists.newciv.org > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 88, Issue 26 > Message-ID: > <cakmuwn90gotzxh_t4ko4-pus_dt2j6vpvu3md3pnkwo1jbi...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > 1. Answer to "Exclusion" Lecture question (Leo Faulhaber) > > Hi Colleen > > Some physisists might try a whole life long to prove the existence of a > merely speculative sub atomic particle. > > Or one might try to prove that something works that in actual fact doesn't. > > Best wishes > > Leo Faulhaber > > > > 2011/11/18 <trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org> > > > Send Trom mailing list submissions to > > trom@lists.newciv.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > trom-requ...@lists..newciv.org <trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org> > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > trom-ow...@lists.newciv.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Trom digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. "Exclusion" Lecture question (Colleen Peltomaa) > > 2. Re: "Exclusion" Lecture question (xriz) > > 3. Re: "Exclusion" Lecture question (xriz) > > 4. Re: "Exclusion" Lecture question (xriz) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:22:56 -0500 > > From: Colleen Peltomaa <cygnifi...@gmail.com> > > To: trom@lists.newciv.org > > Subject: [TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question > > Message-ID: > > <CAF4m2-0AR7h+oNfM-zmFS+kU2X1M6sD7WdM3WJp79VNSHL+ > h...@mail.gmail.com > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > In this tape lecture Dennis says that beings either run around trying to > > know something that has not been brought into existence in this universe > to > > be known, or they run around trying to "not-is". > > > > I'm very very familiar with examples of "not-is", and I find I am lacking > > some solid examples of the first part of Dennis' statement. Would > someone > > please help me out, thank you. > > > > colleen > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > > > http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20111118/a41c9fe5/attachment-0001.html > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 19:30:42 +0100 > > From: "xriz" <xri...@yahoo.de> > > To: "'The Resolution of Mind list'" <trom@lists.newciv.org> > > Subject: Re: [TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question > > Message-ID: <003101cca620$2e16c430$8a444c90$@de> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Where is my castle ? That`s how i should live. Still have not found it. > > Damn. > > > > > > > > LI > > > > > > > > > > > > Von: trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org [mailto:trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org > ] > > Im > > Auftrag von Colleen Peltomaa > > Gesendet: Freitag, 18. November 2011 17:23 > > An: trom@lists.newciv.org > > Betreff: [TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question > > > > > > > > In this tape lecture Dennis says that beings either run around trying to > > know something that has not been brought into existence in this universe > to > > be known, or they run around trying to "not-is". > > > > I'm very very familiar with examples of "not-is", and I find I am lacking > > some solid examples of the first part of Dennis' statement. Would > someone > > please help me out, thank you. > > > > colleen > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > > > http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20111118/f826ad6b/attachment-0001.html > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 19:35:20 +0100 > > From: "xriz" <xri...@yahoo.de> > > To: "'The Resolution of Mind list'" <trom@lists.newciv.org> > > Subject: Re: [TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question > > Message-ID: <001e01cca620$d37cfd90$7a76f8b0$@de> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Now that i begin thinking it astonishes me that is says: trying to know. > > Because I actually do not lift a finger in order to DO something about > it. > > > > Well, that is what case is, isn`t it ;) > > > > > > > > Li > > > > > > > > > > > > Von: trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org [mailto:trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org > ] > > Im > > Auftrag von xriz > > Gesendet: Freitag, 18. November 2011 19:31 > > An: 'The Resolution of Mind list' > > Betreff: Re: [TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question > > > > > > > > Where is my castle ? That`s how i should live. Still have not found it. > > Damn. > > > > > > > > LI > > > > > > > > > > > > Von: trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org [mailto:trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org > ] > > Im > > Auftrag von Colleen Peltomaa > > Gesendet: Freitag, 18. November 2011 17:23 > > An: trom@lists.newciv.org > > Betreff: [TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question > > > > > > > > In this tape lecture Dennis says that beings either run around trying to > > know something that has not been brought into existence in this universe > to > > be known, or they run around trying to "not-is". > > > > I'm very very familiar with examples of "not-is", and I find I am lacking > > some solid examples of the first part of Dennis' statement.. Would > someone > > please help me out, thank you. > > > > colleen > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > > > http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20111118/e204b970/attachment-0001.html > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 19:43:49 +0100 > > From: "xriz" <xri...@yahoo.de> > > To: "'The Resolution of Mind list'" <trom@lists.newciv.org> > > Subject: Re: [TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question > > Message-ID: <000601cca622$03b9aa20$0b2cfe60$@de> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Could not do much with TROM so far. But this one indicates for me. > > > > How do I pick that up with TROM and process it ? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Li > > > > > > > > > > > > Von: trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org [mailto:trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org > ] > > Im > > Auftrag von xriz > > Gesendet: Freitag, 18. November 2011 19:35 > > An: 'The Resolution of Mind list' > > Betreff: Re: [TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question > > > > > > > > Now that i begin thinking it astonishes me that is says: trying to know. > > Because I actually do not lift a finger in order to DO something about > it. > > > > Well, that is what case is, isn`t it ;) > > > > > > > > Li > > > > > > > > > > > > Von: trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org [mailto:trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org > ] > > Im > > Auftrag von xriz > > Gesendet: Freitag, 18. November 2011 19:31 > > An: 'The Resolution of Mind list' > > Betreff: Re: [TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question > > > > > > > > Where is my castle ? That`s how i should live. Still have not found it. > > Damn. > > > > > > > > LI > > > > > > > > > > > > Von: trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org [mailto:trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org > ] > > Im > > Auftrag von Colleen Peltomaa > > Gesendet: Freitag, 18. November 2011 17:23 > > An: trom@lists.newciv.org > > Betreff: [TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question > > > > > > > > In this tape lecture Dennis says that beings either run around trying to > > know something that has not been brought into existence in this universe > to > > be known, or they run around trying to "not-is". > > > > I'm very very familiar with examples of "not-is", and I find I am lacking > > some solid examples of the first part of Dennis' statement. Would > someone > > please help me out, thank you. > > > > colleen > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > > > http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20111118/048fe9ee/attachment.html > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trom mailing list > > Trom@lists.newciv.org > > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > > > > End of Trom Digest, Vol 88, Issue 26 > > ************************************ > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20111118/605b11d6/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:38:43 -0500 > From: Colleen Peltomaa <cygnifi...@gmail.com> > To: trom@lists.newciv.org > Subject: [TROM1] exclusion lecture question > Message-ID: > <CAF4m2-2M5TsWSUD+jk=ypRftK_PjaU1WOHd=r8zdnp8nfn_...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Damn good example, thank you. My statement of what Dennis said was a > rough paraphrase taken from the "Exclusion" taped lecture. > > Just punch "your" item in and keep eyes open and hold the "now" space > (or some other space/time) up to whatever the mind hands over, and it > generally flows very quickly. Mass gets vanished and one restores it > with their own present time creations (RI). > > Let me know how that works for you. > > colleen > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 23:54:02 +0100 > From: "xriz" <xri...@yahoo.de> > To: "'The Resolution of Mind list'" <trom@lists.newciv.org> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] exclusion lecture question > Message-ID: <000601cca644$f7c8f130$e75ad390$@de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I see now why the habit is the same. > You see, when I visit old castles I usually know where everything is, > without having been there this lifetime. > I did not lift a finger back then and that stays with me now. Although I am > in a completely different situation. > Without castles..... > Well, at least I can laugh realizing how an old habit sticked with me. > > Li > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org [mailto:trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org] > Im > Auftrag von Colleen Peltomaa > Gesendet: Freitag, 18. November 2011 22:39 > An: trom@lists.newciv.org > Betreff: [TROM1] exclusion lecture question > > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > ************ > Damn good example, thank you. My statement of what Dennis said was a > rough paraphrase taken from the "Exclusion" taped lecture. > > Just punch "your" item in and keep eyes open and hold the "now" space > (or some other space/time) up to whatever the mind hands over, and it > generally flows very quickly. Mass gets vanished and one restores it > with their own present time creations (RI). > > Let me know how that works for you. > > colleen > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > Trom@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > Trom@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > End of Trom Digest, Vol 88, Issue 27 > ************************************ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > Trom@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > >
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