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This is exactly how i feel. i had fireworks at level 2. i lose charge everyday even without session. i lose charge while watching "sanctuary" online :-)
charge is gone...what was it? i dont know. do i care?! not much. i also feel the same about scientology auditing. very loud. trom removes the legs of the table with charge on it without touching the contents of the table. nice trick. sometimes i ask myself if i regained abilities and im not sure. my whole case is reduced. i still have the same set of problems but they dont feel as life threatening as before. yesterday i had a thought: if i were the most powerful being and decided to play and become serious and reduce my power to postulate... i'd postulate first, that i will get out of everything no matter how bad my condition is. like a rescue line :-) in the worst scenario id be a dust particle with the intention to look for solutions to everything. not the quick fix or a small improvement but the whole way back. good luck! alex 2011/11/20 Aarre Peltomaa <peltomaa.aa...@gmail.com> > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > ************ > > Hi Leon, from Aarre Nov. 19/'11 > > May I risk a possible answer? I haven't done too much level 4, but have > worked on the 8 overwhelms. I'm not finished level 3, so I'm only > speculating a possible explanation. To me TROM is so deep down basic, it > deflates the 'tire' of charge (analogy) slowly, rather than with explosive > case gone. TROM seems to deplete the whole case, each time it's run, > rather than address individual incidents, of which there are millions or > trillions on the whole time track anyway. It seems to be subdued, with no > hugh fireworks. It just seems to be a slowly leaking 'tire', where the > charge is leaving day after day, even when you didn't have a session. My > sessions have not been very 'loud', compared to Scientology sessions. It > seems that the further you are from early/prime cause, the more explosive, > loud, and bombastic seems to be the case gain, because the fundamental > postulates don't seem to be addressed in Scientology. Cause is very > quiet, and effect is very loud. I believe that if one addressed the 'to > know' postulate, that whole chunks and sections of case would vanish > smoothly and quietly without your even knowing half about what left. One > might say, 'what's gone?'. Something is changed drastically, but I don't > know exactly what left? > > Randy (Slim), do you think this makes sense? > > Thanks, Aarre > > On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Leo Swart <leosw...@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org >> ************ >> >> I wish Dennis was still around so I could talk to him. There is one issue >> I have with TROM that remains unresolved for me. Don't get me wrong - I do >> love these materials and I can get it to work for me and I get the gains >> out of it, all is OK on that score. But, still I have this nagging feeling >> about it. >> >> You see a really thorough end penomena in running an incident or "blowing >> it" or whatever you want to call it, let's say Dealing with a past >> incident, would include: (a) full erasure of the charge locked up by the >> incident, (b) full perception and realization of all of the significances >> contained in and resulting from the incident, (c) the ability to fully >> pervade the actual considered time and space in which the incident >> occurred, and (d) a full recovery of all of the beingness, activity level >> and reach that the person had prior to the incident. >> >> TROM achieves (a) pretty well. But what about the rest? I don't find >> these here. >> >> Your comments and advice would be welcome. >> >> Leon >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* "trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org" <trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org> >> *To:* trom@lists.newciv.org >> *Sent:* Sunday, 20 November 2011 1:00 AM >> *Subject:* Trom Digest, Vol 88, Issue 27 >> >> Send Trom mailing list submissions to >> trom@lists.newciv.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> trom-ow...@lists.newciv.org <trom-ow...@lists.newciv..org> >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Trom digest...." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Trom Digest, Vol 88, Issue 26 (Leo Faulhaber) >> 2. exclusion lecture question (Colleen Peltomaa) >> 3. Re: exclusion lecture question (xriz) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 20:14:23 +0100 >> From: Leo Faulhaber <leo.faulha...@gmail.com> >> To: trom@lists.newciv.org >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 88, Issue 26 >> Message-ID: >> <cakmuwn90gotzxh_t4ko4-pus_dt2j6vpvu3md3pnkwo1jbi...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> 1. Answer to "Exclusion" Lecture question (Leo Faulhaber) >> >> Hi Colleen >> >> Some physisists might try a whole life long to prove the existence of a >> merely speculative sub atomic particle. >> >> Or one might try to prove that something works that in actual fact >> doesn't. >> >> Best wishes >> >> Leo Faulhaber >> >> >> >> 2011/11/18 <trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org> >> >> > Send Trom mailing list submissions to >> > trom@lists.newciv.org >> > >> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> > trom-requ...@lists..newciv.org <trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org> >> > >> > You can reach the person managing the list at >> > trom-ow...@lists.newciv.org >> > >> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> > than "Re: Contents of Trom digest..." >> > >> > >> > Today's Topics: >> > >> > 1. "Exclusion" Lecture question (Colleen Peltomaa) >> > 2. Re: "Exclusion" Lecture question (xriz) >> > 3. Re: "Exclusion" Lecture question (xriz) >> > 4. Re: "Exclusion" Lecture question (xriz) >> > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > Message: 1 >> > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:22:56 -0500 >> > From: Colleen Peltomaa <cygnifi...@gmail.com> >> > To: trom@lists.newciv.org >> > Subject: [TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question >> > Message-ID: >> > <CAF4m2-0AR7h+oNfM-zmFS+kU2X1M6sD7WdM3WJp79VNSHL+ >> h...@mail.gmail.com >> > > >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> > >> > In this tape lecture Dennis says that beings either run around trying to >> > know something that has not been brought into existence in this >> universe to >> > be known, or they run around trying to "not-is". >> > >> > I'm very very familiar with examples of "not-is", and I find I am >> lacking >> > some solid examples of the first part of Dennis' statement. Would >> someone >> > please help me out, thank you. >> > >> > colleen >> > -------------- next part -------------- >> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> > URL: < >> > >> http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20111118/a41c9fe5/attachment-0001.html >> > > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 2 >> > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 19:30:42 +0100 >> > From: "xriz" <xri...@yahoo.de> >> > To: "'The Resolution of Mind list'" <trom@lists.newciv.org> >> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question >> > Message-ID: <003101cca620$2e16c430$8a444c90$@de> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> > >> > Where is my castle ? That`s how i should live. Still have not found it. >> > Damn. >> > >> > >> > >> > LI >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Von: trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org [mailto: >> trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org] >> > Im >> > Auftrag von Colleen Peltomaa >> > Gesendet: Freitag, 18. November 2011 17:23 >> > An: trom@lists.newciv.org >> > Betreff: [TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question >> > >> > >> > >> > In this tape lecture Dennis says that beings either run around trying to >> > know something that has not been brought into existence in this >> universe to >> > be known, or they run around trying to "not-is". >> > >> > I'm very very familiar with examples of "not-is", and I find I am >> lacking >> > some solid examples of the first part of Dennis' statement. Would >> someone >> > please help me out, thank you. >> > >> > colleen >> > >> > >> > -------------- next part -------------- >> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> > URL: < >> > >> http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20111118/f826ad6b/attachment-0001.html >> > > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 3 >> > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 19:35:20 +0100 >> > From: "xriz" <xri...@yahoo.de> >> > To: "'The Resolution of Mind list'" <trom@lists.newciv.org> >> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question >> > Message-ID: <001e01cca620$d37cfd90$7a76f8b0$@de> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> > >> > Now that i begin thinking it astonishes me that is says: trying to know. >> > Because I actually do not lift a finger in order to DO something about >> it. >> > >> > Well, that is what case is, isn`t it ;) >> > >> > >> > >> > Li >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Von: trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org [mailto: >> trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org] >> > Im >> > Auftrag von xriz >> > Gesendet: Freitag, 18. November 2011 19:31 >> > An: 'The Resolution of Mind list' >> > Betreff: Re: [TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question >> > >> > >> > >> > Where is my castle ? That`s how i should live. Still have not found it. >> > Damn. >> > >> > >> > >> > LI >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Von: trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org [mailto: >> trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org] >> > Im >> > Auftrag von Colleen Peltomaa >> > Gesendet: Freitag, 18. November 2011 17:23 >> > An: trom@lists.newciv.org >> > Betreff: [TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question >> > >> > >> > >> > In this tape lecture Dennis says that beings either run around trying to >> > know something that has not been brought into existence in this >> universe to >> > be known, or they run around trying to "not-is". >> > >> > I'm very very familiar with examples of "not-is", and I find I am >> lacking >> > some solid examples of the first part of Dennis' statement.. Would >> someone >> > please help me out, thank you. >> > >> > colleen >> > >> > >> > -------------- next part -------------- >> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> > URL: < >> > >> http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20111118/e204b970/attachment-0001.html >> > > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 4 >> > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 19:43:49 +0100 >> > From: "xriz" <xri...@yahoo.de> >> > To: "'The Resolution of Mind list'" <trom@lists.newciv.org> >> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question >> > Message-ID: <000601cca622$03b9aa20$0b2cfe60$@de> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> > >> > Could not do much with TROM so far. But this one indicates for me. >> > >> > How do I pick that up with TROM and process it ? >> > >> > >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > >> > >> > Li >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Von: trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org [mailto: >> trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org] >> > Im >> > Auftrag von xriz >> > Gesendet: Freitag, 18. November 2011 19:35 >> > An: 'The Resolution of Mind list' >> > Betreff: Re: [TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question >> > >> > >> > >> > Now that i begin thinking it astonishes me that is says: trying to know. >> > Because I actually do not lift a finger in order to DO something about >> it. >> > >> > Well, that is what case is, isn`t it ;) >> > >> > >> > >> > Li >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Von: trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org [mailto: >> trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org] >> > Im >> > Auftrag von xriz >> > Gesendet: Freitag, 18. November 2011 19:31 >> > An: 'The Resolution of Mind list' >> > Betreff: Re: [TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question >> > >> > >> > >> > Where is my castle ? That`s how i should live. Still have not found it. >> > Damn. >> > >> > >> > >> > LI >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Von: trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org [mailto: >> trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org] >> > Im >> > Auftrag von Colleen Peltomaa >> > Gesendet: Freitag, 18. November 2011 17:23 >> > An: trom@lists.newciv.org >> > Betreff: [TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question >> > >> > >> > >> > In this tape lecture Dennis says that beings either run around trying to >> > know something that has not been brought into existence in this >> universe to >> > be known, or they run around trying to "not-is". >> > >> > I'm very very familiar with examples of "not-is", and I find I am >> lacking >> > some solid examples of the first part of Dennis' statement. Would >> someone >> > please help me out, thank you. >> > >> > colleen >> > >> > >> > -------------- next part -------------- >> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> > URL: < >> > >> http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20111118/048fe9ee/attachment.html >> > > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Trom mailing list >> > Trom@lists.newciv.org >> > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> > >> > >> > End of Trom Digest, Vol 88, Issue 26 >> > ************************************ >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20111118/605b11d6/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:38:43 -0500 >> From: Colleen Peltomaa <cygnifi...@gmail.com> >> To: trom@lists.newciv.org >> Subject: [TROM1] exclusion lecture question >> Message-ID: >> <CAF4m2-2M5TsWSUD+jk=ypRftK_PjaU1WOHd=r8zdnp8nfn_...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Damn good example, thank you. My statement of what Dennis said was a >> rough paraphrase taken from the "Exclusion" taped lecture. >> >> Just punch "your" item in and keep eyes open and hold the "now" space >> (or some other space/time) up to whatever the mind hands over, and it >> generally flows very quickly. Mass gets vanished and one restores it >> with their own present time creations (RI). >> >> Let me know how that works for you. >> >> colleen >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 23:54:02 +0100 >> From: "xriz" <xri...@yahoo.de> >> To: "'The Resolution of Mind list'" <trom@lists.newciv.org> >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] exclusion lecture question >> Message-ID: <000601cca644$f7c8f130$e75ad390$@de> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> I see now why the habit is the same. >> You see, when I visit old castles I usually know where everything is, >> without having been there this lifetime. >> I did not lift a finger back then and that stays with me now. Although I >> am >> in a completely different situation. >> Without castles..... >> Well, at least I can laugh realizing how an old habit sticked with me. >> >> Li >> >> >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org [mailto:trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org] >> Im >> Auftrag von Colleen Peltomaa >> Gesendet: Freitag, 18. November 2011 22:39 >> An: trom@lists.newciv.org >> Betreff: [TROM1] exclusion lecture question >> >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org >> ************ >> Damn good example, thank you. My statement of what Dennis said was a >> rough paraphrase taken from the "Exclusion" taped lecture. >> >> Just punch "your" item in and keep eyes open and hold the "now" space >> (or some other space/time) up to whatever the mind hands over, and it >> generally flows very quickly. Mass gets vanished and one restores it >> with their own present time creations (RI). >> >> Let me know how that works for you. >> >> colleen >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> Trom@lists.newciv.org >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> Trom@lists.newciv.org >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> >> >> End of Trom Digest, Vol 88, Issue 27 >> ************************************ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> Trom@lists.newciv.org >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > Trom@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > -- *Graf-Computer* Service mit Biss Alexander Graf Klausener Winkel 8 90482 Nürnberg 0179 / 15 777 63 www.graf-computer-service.de
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